Any ideas peeps ?..

[chaz243]

Shot 2 last Sunday but found this . APHA informed and samples collected yesterday...

 

[Dunwaters]

Its hard to tell from the photos but I’m not seeing anything that’d cause me to condemn the carcass

 

[sh1kar]

How were the sub maxillary and retro pharyngeal nodes? They tend to be the ones that really indicate all is well or not

S

 

[Buchan]

Its hard to tell from the photos but I’m not seeing anything that’d cause me to condemn the carcass

I'd call that mesenteric mass pretty damn suspicious!

 

[Dunwaters]

I'd call that mesenteric mass pretty damn suspicious!

Yes, but it’s not pussy or granulated and it’s only one .
What was the overall condition of the animal, was it behaving normally, are there any other abnormalities? If not I’d be happy with it.
I would put a comment in the remarks column if it was going to the dealer though.

 

[jubnut]

Yes, but it’s not pussy or granulated and it’s only one .
What was the overall condition of the animal, was it behaving normally, are ther any other abnormalities?
I would put a comment in the remarks column if it was going to the dealer though.

Are you looking at the same photos?

 

[Dunwaters]

Are you looking at the same photos?

Think so, what have I missed?

 

[Dunwaters]

No, had another look, bit of fat, just the one anomaly, I’d be happy to pass it based on what I can see. But I’m not a vet, what do you see?

 

[User00040]

Another aspect not to be missed but seldom discussed, smell.

Can't upload that on the internet unfortunately (yet)!

 

[Yorric]

If I saw something iffy in a carcass I wouldn't be sniffing it. I'd be wearing a mask if I had one! Don't want to catch anything!

Ian

 

[Oldstalker]

It looks a bit like a worm cyst to me; it's VERY hard to tell from the photos. Worm cysts are frequently in the mesenteric area but can occur almost anywhere on a carcass. If you hung the carcass did it set, by which I mean has it gone into normal rigor mortis? If so then I would be unwilling to condemn the carcass instantly. If any liquid in that sac was clear then I feel you can be fairly sure it was a worm cyst but ask @srvet for his opinion. He is a wise and experienced man whose judgement I would trust implicitly every time. A wiser man than me, a vet who was an animal pathologist working for what was the then Veterinary Investigation centre in Cumbria, told me, and students on the courses we took to the VI centre, to "recognise the normal, AND the variations in the normal" because they are many and (no pun intended) normal or usual or varied even. It was probably one of the most valuable lessons I learned.

 

[jubnut]

Think so, what have I missed?

The big cheesy lesion? That ain't a worm cyst.

 

[chaz243]

How were the sub maxillary and retro pharyngeal nodes? They tend to be the ones that really indicate all is well or not

S

The orange /yellow knife scabbard is pointing to one .... it's huge compared to what I'm used to seeing .The lungs were rather lumpy too ...

 

[chaz243]

Yes, but it’s not pussy or granulated and it’s only one .
What was the overall condition of the animal, was it behaving normally, are there any other abnormalities? If not I’d be happy with it.
I would put a comment in the remarks column if it was going to the dealer though.

The mesenteric lump was hard and white plus another on wad swollen and 7unusual colour .The submaxillary (orange knife scabbard pointer) was huge and the lungs were rather lumpy too. Thanks for your interest .

 

[chaz243]

How were the sub maxillary and retro pharyngeal nodes? They tend to be the ones that really indicate all is well or not

S

The orange /yellow knife scabbard is pointing to one .... it's huge compared to what I'm used to seeing .The lungs were rather lumpy too ...

It looks a bit like a worm cyst to me; it's VERY hard to tell from the photos. Worm cysts are frequently in the mesenteric area but can occur almost anywhere on a carcass. If you hung the carcass did it set, by which I mean has it gone into normal rigor mortis? If so then I would be unwilling to condemn the carcass instantly. If any liquid in that sac was clear then I feel you can be fairly sure it was a worm cyst but ask @srvet for his opinion. He is a wise and experienced man whose judgement I would trust implicitly every time. A wiser man than me, a vet who was an animal pathologist working for what was the then Veterinary Investigation centre in Cumbria, told me, and students on the courses we took to the VI centre, to "recognise the normal, AND the variations in the normal" because they are many and (no pun intended) normal or usual or varied even. It was probably one of the most valuable lessons I learned.

Would love to hear his opinion... Other nodes in the mesenteric were swollen plus the lungs had distinct lumps in them. Otherwise the Doe was relatively healthy but old 5_6 + . The neck seemed bony though. Lungs, mesenteric.retro and subs all gone off to lab for analysis watch this space but not for,a while. Takes weeks to grow a culture if TB ..
Thanks for your interest ...C

 

[chaz243]

Another aspect not to be missed but seldom discussed, smell.

Can't upload that on the internet unfortunately (yet)!

Didn't notice any unusual smell but 5hen I generally wasn't doing too much sniffing...All quite alarming really and,off putting

 

[jubnut]

Señor Vet is more of a mechanic from what I gather. @Buchan is the disease guy.

 

[Dunwaters]

The mesenteric lump was hard and white plus another on wad swollen and 7unusual colour .The submaxillary (orange knife scabbard pointer) was huge and the lungs were rather lumpy too. Thanks for your interest .

The 2 lines above contain rather more information than I was able to glean from the phots’s, so my answer to your question now changes to No, I wouldn’t put it into the food chain, that smell you mention would also be significant.
It sounds like TB , dispose of the carcass appropriately.

 

[Selous]

Hard to say for certain, it appears to be a walled off mass attached to the mesentery but there could be many causes but bacterial, mycobacterium, neoplastic or parasitic seem possible to varying degrees of probability. If material has been submitted for histology this should clarify the cause.

 

[geoffw]

It looks a bit like a worm cyst to me; it's VERY hard to tell from the photos. Worm cysts are frequently in the mesenteric area but can occur almost anywhere on a carcass. If you hung the carcass did it set, by which I mean has it gone into normal rigor mortis? If so then I would be unwilling to condemn the carcass instantly. If any liquid in that sac was clear then I feel you can be fairly sure it was a worm cyst but ask @srvet for his opinion. He is a wise and experienced man whose judgement I would trust implicitly every time. A wiser man than me, a vet who was an animal pathologist working for what was the then Veterinary Investigation centre in Cumbria, told me, and students on the courses we took to the VI centre, to "recognise the normal, AND the variations in the normal" because they are many and (no pun intended) normal or usual or varied even. It was probably one of the most valuable lessons I learned.

@Oldstalker Hi, can you tell me more about the rigor mortis angle you refer to? Are you saying a carcass won't go into normal rigor mortis if infected/diseased?