Accuracy International for stalking.

[Stalker62]

I just went and weighed by AT; with the scope, rings and empty mag it weighs 17.6lbs. The Razor is 3 lbs by itself.

I have an AI AX in .308 which lives in a 'hard case'. I would get it out and weigh it as well, but I cannot lift it onto the scales.

 

[Overlay]

R93 in wood 6.5 x 55 with no moderator don’t need anything else for hill work, it’ll knock over anything this country has to offer

 

[User00040]

R93 in wood 6.5 x 55 with no moderator don’t need anything else for hill work, it’ll knock over anything this country has to offer

PARDON???!

 

[urx]

looks just like my 1st stalking rifle
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I have an imbel FAL in .22lr that was my first rabbit rifle...sadly plastic furniture and the slightly different ‘metric’ controls.

 

[welshwarrior]

If you ask the soldiers, most will crib about the weight of their gear... even if they are in their 20's-30's. Even the fittest soldier will be quicker with lighter gear, some special forces have recognised that and are strongly looking for lighter gear. Our special forces tested a tikka with carbon stock we put together and had no disadvantages accuracy wise compared to their standard issue AI. The Tikka/Carbon lighter scope kitted out weighed 3kg less. When it comes to bolt action rifles the military seems quite far behind. I am not saying the AI is bad just that it can be improved.
edi

Edi

your right all soilders what lighter stronger better kit, and when they get issued light stronger better kit than the previous version a weeks later they are asking for a light stronger better version again.
The fact is simple the load a solider carries has not significantly changed since WW1 it’s just made up of more and different stuff.
A sniper or sharpshooters rifle needs to be ultra robust to support the solider after a IFV is blown up, he falls down a mountainside off a helicopter or just plan drops it again. The AI does this in spades.
The SF requirements are often different to green army and have different constraints to purchase against eg statements of requirement etc, god I suspect the army has more AIs than SF soldiers.

As for a stalking rifle use what makes you smile.

 

[Stalker62]

I have an AI AX in .308 which lives in a 'hard case'. I would get it out and weigh it as well, but I cannot lift it onto the scales.

OK, so not knowing was killing me.

Having donned my truss and hauled the damn thing onto the scales..

3 stones and 2lbs or 20KG!

 

[Mungo]

The fact is simple the load a solider carries has not significantly changed since WW1 it’s just made up of more and different stuff

I read an interesting analysis that showed that the basic load carried by a line infantryman hasn’t changed since the start of organised warfare - so something like 5000 years. Armies just load up their soldiers with as much as they can carry. Any weight saving due to technology is immediately filled by adding something else.

 

[welshwarrior]

I read an interesting analysis that showed that the basic load carried by a line infantryman hasn’t changed since the start of organised warfare - so something like 5000 years. Armies just load up their soldiers with as much as they can carry. Any weight saving due to technology is immediately filled by adding something else.

Correct

 

[NullMac]

I believe you have incorrect data. The AI-AT is 13.9lbs (without a folder mechanism). The AT-X is 13lbs (unloaded). Obviously, the AXSA (15.2lbs) and AXSR (15.9lbs with the 27" barrel)) are heavier, especially if the have the long forend tube.

No, unless there is a UK and US spec difference ? AT308 specification sheet

I am a fan, but even if the correct number is 13.9lbs I don't see a 7% weight reduction as a meaningful improvement or key selling point.

Interested to hear your real world experience when you get your AT-X as I don't think I can get my hands on one before November.

 

[NullMac]

AT-X Specification Sheet

 

[ejg]

Edi

your right all soilders what lighter stronger better kit, and when they get issued light stronger better kit than the previous version a weeks later they are asking for a light stronger better version again.
The fact is simple the load a solider carries has not significantly changed since WW1 it’s just made up of more and different stuff.
A sniper or sharpshooters rifle needs to be ultra robust to support the solider after a IFV is blown up, he falls down a mountainside off a helicopter or just plan drops it again. The AI does this in spades.
The SF requirements are often different to green army and have different constraints to purchase against eg statements of requirement etc, god I suspect the army has more AIs than SF soldiers.

As for a stalking rifle use what makes you smile.

Of course the world does not stop with one AI development. There is always a possibility of improvement. What counts at the end of the day is how effective soldiers are. My great grandfather was involved in the invention of dried egg, alone this was an option to carry more food or to get food to soldiers easier. … without food the soldier is useless.
Looking at materials, the IED proofing of Landrovers was greatly helped with fiberglass internals or cage. They did not use metals. I am pretty sure a sniper rifle chassis based on composites could be stronger and lighter than aluminium.
edi

 

[welshwarrior]

Looking at materials, the IED proofing of Landrovers was greatly helped with fiberglass internals or cage. They did not use metals.

They also failed miserably in achieving their goals as many of us who sat in them and have later buried friends and colleagues who proved they where unfit for propose will attest to.

AI isn’t the only military option but has provide the best so far, and yes in the future will be overtaken but maybe not just yet for green forces.

 

[ejg]

They also failed miserably in achieving their goals as many of us who sat in them and have later buried friends and colleagues who proved they where unfit for propose will attest to.

AI isn’t the only military option but has provide the best so far, and yes in the future will be overtaken but maybe not just yet for green forces.

I was discussing that with a guy who was involved with the landrover project. Recon they pulled the plug a little early on the development and had too little reserves. I asked my friend why on earth did they chose the materials they did, much better available.
I did not hear that they failed badly in use, recon not all situations were as in the UK tests.
they could have left them the way they were... think that would have been better? or did the system save lives?

All I am saying is to keep an open mind and look for improvements.
edi

 

[Tyke]

My son handling the most expensive stalking rifle he ever held.

Stan

Was it threaded for a moderator, or will the buyer have to get it cut & proofed?

 

[welshwarrior]

I was discussing that with a guy who was involved with the landrover project. Recon they pulled the plug a little early on the development and had too little reserves. I asked my friend why on earth did they chose the materials they did, much better available.
I did not hear that they failed badly in use, recon not all situations were as in the UK tests.
they could have left them the way they were... think that would have been better? or did the system save lives?

All I am saying is to keep an open mind and look for improvements.
edi

Many of use preferred normal land rovers than the over weight under powered ‘snatch’ Land Rover. Top heavy very very limited ballist protection, limited visabilty (when observation preempted attacks). Ok if the odd Irishman is throwing bricks or petrol bombs useless against bullets, RPG’s or IEDs.

 

[ejg]

Many of use preferred normal land rovers than the over weight under powered ‘snatch’ Land Rover. Top heavy very very limited ballist protection, limited visabilty (when observation preempted attacks). Ok if the odd Irishman is throwing bricks or petrol bombs useless against bullets, RPG’s or IEDs.

Ah, I think I did not word it right. I meant the replacement for the "Snatch" Landrover. The Foxhound with the composite survival cell. I initially thought Landrover built it. When discussing with my friend who was involved we were more interested in the composite Technology being used. How did the Foxhound fair out in practical use? Did you have anything to do with them?
edi

 

[welshwarrior]

Ah, I think I did not word it right. I meant the replacement for the "Snatch" Landrover. The Foxhound with the composite survival cell. I initially thought Landrover built it. When discussing with my friend who was involved we were more interested in the composite Technology being used. How did the Foxhound fair out in practical use? Did you have anything to do with them?
edi

I didnt use Foxhound I did use Jackal which was an improvement. By the time Foxhound came in I was only in an air mobile role which meant helicopters in and out and foot only on the ground bar a few quad bikes.