Looks like you've been brainwashed too!
Anti vaxxers need to do some research.
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John Gryphon
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I can get that drinking beer
all my exes have that
so FF is gonna **** the bed?
countrryboy
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Must admit i never have understood the extreme views of some on this topic, not sure if this thread or not but someone was comparing unvacinated to drink drivers, wot a lot of tosh.
As whitebeard says above, theyre was a spokesperson on radio the other day saying a new study has shown that in an infected person the ammount of virus in there nose and throat is the same wether vaccinated or unvaccintated, so both have just as much chance of passing the virus on.
They then completely glossed over that fact and went on to say how great the vaccines are.
So an unvaccintaed person is no more risk than anyone else.
If u add in how they're living there life, pubs, weddings, parties, foreign hols etc as their 'double jabbed' and 'safe' is far more risk to others than an unvaccinated livng a quiet life keeping a social distance
Now pretty much proven facts are the vaccine makes any symptoms weaker (which is a good thing)
But surely with a virus where half the problem with it spreading in very high % of population (esp younger age groups) will be completely asymptomatic, so surely the vaccination is only going to increase the % of asymptomatic 'spreaders'.
I'd say a vaccinated person is actually potentially more likely to spread the virus as less likely to have any obvious symptoms, know been a couple of weddings locally and its spread massively in a short space of time, every man and there dog seems to have it now and many will be vaccinated
I've chose not to have the vaccine despite me having asthma, is not so bad now but used to be severe, so i really dont want to be catching the virus so keeping my distance from folk.
I have a physical job and with my asthma and gettin on a bit now, i would guess the chances of my catching it and being asyptomatic will be smallish so also very unlikely to pass it on to anyone either.
My decision i've made knowing im not endangering anyone else.
Must admit some of the reasons for not taking it are just bonkers, im not a conspiracy theorist at all, simply i had a truely terrible reaction to a flu jab years ago and never had 1 since, for an illness with a 99.98% survival rate and where the average age of those dying is above the average life expectancy.
I take bigger risks at work everyday
Its only a matter of time until a more resitant strain comes alone that the vaccines not effective for, as with the delta variant, more folk catching it than the original.
And as people begin to travel en masse just for holidays mixing with big numbers of others from different areas any new variant wont be long in spreading.
Then wot happens?? Do we all go back into hiding again?? Sadly the answer will most likely be YES
A few folk have mentioned foriegn holidays but mibbee the way many of us lived before wasnt really sustainable anyway even before covid (cheap airline flights for 10 or 20 quid all over europe), and now in covid (and global warming times) jetting all over europe just for a long wknd mibbee isnt a good idea.
Lets face it foreign holidays are a fairly new thing for most of the population, 20 or 30 years ago only really becoming common
Im not that old but mind as a kid our summer holiday we used to go to a campsite in a borrowed caravan 20 miles from home, my cousins used to come too and only 6 miles from home, had some great times.
U dont need to go foreign holidays to have a good time and a break from work.
A nice hol every year or 2 yes but now some folk are having multiple foreign hols a year
As whitebeard says above, theyre was a spokesperson on radio the other day saying a new study has shown that in an infected person the ammount of virus in there nose and throat is the same wether vaccinated or unvaccintated, so both have just as much chance of passing the virus on.
They then completely glossed over that fact and went on to say how great the vaccines are.
So an unvaccintaed person is no more risk than anyone else.
If u add in how they're living there life, pubs, weddings, parties, foreign hols etc as their 'double jabbed' and 'safe' is far more risk to others than an unvaccinated livng a quiet life keeping a social distance
Now pretty much proven facts are the vaccine makes any symptoms weaker (which is a good thing)
But surely with a virus where half the problem with it spreading in very high % of population (esp younger age groups) will be completely asymptomatic, so surely the vaccination is only going to increase the % of asymptomatic 'spreaders'.
I'd say a vaccinated person is actually potentially more likely to spread the virus as less likely to have any obvious symptoms, know been a couple of weddings locally and its spread massively in a short space of time, every man and there dog seems to have it now and many will be vaccinated
I've chose not to have the vaccine despite me having asthma, is not so bad now but used to be severe, so i really dont want to be catching the virus so keeping my distance from folk.
I have a physical job and with my asthma and gettin on a bit now, i would guess the chances of my catching it and being asyptomatic will be smallish so also very unlikely to pass it on to anyone either.
My decision i've made knowing im not endangering anyone else.
Must admit some of the reasons for not taking it are just bonkers, im not a conspiracy theorist at all, simply i had a truely terrible reaction to a flu jab years ago and never had 1 since, for an illness with a 99.98% survival rate and where the average age of those dying is above the average life expectancy.
I take bigger risks at work everyday
Its only a matter of time until a more resitant strain comes alone that the vaccines not effective for, as with the delta variant, more folk catching it than the original.
And as people begin to travel en masse just for holidays mixing with big numbers of others from different areas any new variant wont be long in spreading.
Then wot happens?? Do we all go back into hiding again?? Sadly the answer will most likely be YES
A few folk have mentioned foriegn holidays but mibbee the way many of us lived before wasnt really sustainable anyway even before covid (cheap airline flights for 10 or 20 quid all over europe), and now in covid (and global warming times) jetting all over europe just for a long wknd mibbee isnt a good idea.
Lets face it foreign holidays are a fairly new thing for most of the population, 20 or 30 years ago only really becoming common
Im not that old but mind as a kid our summer holiday we used to go to a campsite in a borrowed caravan 20 miles from home, my cousins used to come too and only 6 miles from home, had some great times.
U dont need to go foreign holidays to have a good time and a break from work.
A nice hol every year or 2 yes but now some folk are having multiple foreign hols a year
So where do your "true facts" come from, and who decides whether they're true? You started your post by saying that @mealiejimmy had been brainwashed by believing what the media were saying, and ended your post by saying that the media knows the truth and people like Mealiejimmy ignoring them is the problem. Totally contradicting yourself. Clearly the garbled efforts of a brainwashed mind, rather than a valid opinion!
Since brexit no one can trust the government or media to tell the truth, by looking through the alleged lies the truth can be found, then it is up to the individual, to decide based on an informed decision to what he believes to be true fact, mealie Jimmy is continuously taking in all the hype and propaganda without question, which is a pretty good definition of brainwashing,
Slight whiff of irony my friend. 2 sides to a coin.
The key to all this is if you accept or question what you are told
So you question what you are told by the media, and form your own opinion.
Someone else questions the same information provided by the media and forms their own opinion. If their opinion differs from yours then they have clearly been brainwashed?
Honestly, some people.....
You have put your finger on the problem.
If you only ever use media disseminated/interpretted/opined information, you almost certainly do not have all the facts. Regardless of organ, all of MSM report selectively.
What many now realise is that to get more data [not media opinion], then you must do your own research: What does Oxford University say? What does the FDA state? What does the maker of the mRNA vaccine transport say now?
This is data. Devoid of political baggage/spin.
I will aver that Whitebeard does not rely on the media to form his opinions at all...certainly I do not.
johndeere
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is that one dose steve 500kg you are a big boy
Since Brexit!!! Don’t be silly we have never been able to trust any government .Their only interested in feathering their nests and guilding their lilies.
I will rephrase that turnbolt, since brexit the government the msm have unabashedly shown the extent of their blatant lying
Freeforester
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On vaccine toxicity, from around 07.00 in:
we all may believe what we will, and trust whom we will.
we all may believe what we will, and trust whom we will.
Freeforester
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£5-6 buys you enough for 7x100kg doses, er, according to a ‘friend’, lol!
The statements of fact are:
With those considerations in mind, how is mandatory vaccination conscionable? It should be discretionary. As it is in Denmark. Sign the pettition. Have your voice heard.
togetherdeclaration.org
- Double-vaccinated persons still carry and shed the virus
- Double-vaccinated persons immunity wanes over time
- Young people are statistically unlikely to succumb to covid
- VAERS data shows more side-effects and mortalities from covid vaccines than any previous vaccine regime [including the aborted swine flu vaccine of the 70s]
With those considerations in mind, how is mandatory vaccination conscionable? It should be discretionary. As it is in Denmark. Sign the pettition. Have your voice heard.
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And the risk of clots from the Covid vaccines is pretty much exactly the same as from the flu vaccines.
Large-scale study shows risk of clots after vaccine far lower than with Covid
Research into some 29 million people in England looked at the increased risk of being admitted to hospital or dying due to blood clots.
www.standard.co.uk
And the risk of clots from the Covid vaccines is pretty much exactly the same as from the flu vaccines.
Bavarianbrit
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I wonder, as we all see the Covid news every day (30,000 new infections and 28 deaths for example) so how many of those infected had had the double jabs and the same question for the deaths? To get a clear picture of reality. I cannot find that data.
Agree. Clarity on impacts [vaccine vs non-vaccine] not easily discerned/weighed. VAERS data is best we have.
But if I was a young adult who was unlikely to succumb to covid, and a vaccine would make me no more or less likely to carry the virus, then I would not have the jab.
That is emerging as fairly low in the order of concerns. Statistically anyway.
Far more pressing is incidence of myocarditis in young males.
And evidence of post-vaccine accumulation of the injected lipids around ovaries.
And the linkage between spike protein and prion development in the brain.
countrryboy
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I totally agree it would be great to have a more detailed breakdown.
Althou how much good it would be is debatable, most likely both sides off the debate would cherry pick the stats that suited Thier argument best ignoring the rest or the bigger picture.
It might be good to demonstrate to all those double jabbed that they are not invincible and cannot just live there lives exactly as before.
They can catch it and spread it
Althou possibly the most important stat would be off those infected AND double jabbed were they're symptoms milder than ud expect otherwise??
And that is impossible to answer,
Althou possibly comparing hospital admissions and those critically ill with covid compared to infection numbers would tend to suggest the vaccine is helping and working as it should.
