It would seem they see little success in any area then, when was the last time any point was fought? Members are being held to ransom over medical fees, increased fees came and went with no improvemnt to service provided, the steadfast no evidence no change folded. The state of the art media centre has seen little use, Chris Packham runs rings around them, they seem unaware of the existance and influence of social media. Going back further and a smaller NGO fought and won for buzzard control, and back further still the membership were advised not to attend the Liberty and livelyhood march. They are the career politicians of the shooting world
Is BASC membership worth it?
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Whitefront
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Interesting - if a tad boring - to watch a little group of fanatical anti-BASCers shouting to themselves within an online echo chamber.
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Rewulf
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Your comment , in our 'echo chamber' makes no sense, its interesting but boring ? Make your mind up !
If youre right , and we are wrong , why bother to comment at all ?
If BASC really are the voice of shooting , and are going to steadfastly stand up for shooters (in your limited opinion) why do they even need defending ?
Maybe Conor would like to let us in on how many have left BASC in the last couple of years ?
It cant be many surely....?
Spend enough money and you'll save a fortune.
BASC are not the only organisation whose membership attracts Toyota's discount.
I left BASC after two decades out of frustration at the GP cert and lead debacle. Both initiated or aggravated by BASC posturing.
Shortly thereafter I wanted to buy a Hilux. To my delight, the Toyota dealership declared I would receive the same discount as brokered by BASC on presentation of my MoleValley Farmers ID.
IMO, BASC do not speak for most of us. If Fieldsports Britain developed a shooting society arm, BASC would fold overnight. Currently I am with SGA. Good insurance, accessible legal folk, robust voice for all shooting sports.
terrier1
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Any more information on this please.
The clarity with which Charlie and the FieldSports Britain team research and present data on all areas of fieldsports totally eclipses anything I have seen from the established "advocates" of our sport.
Currently, they are a media group. With a huge global following!
So if they branched into shooter association advocacy as a formal shooting organisation with insured members, they would be without peer. It really would fit the "if Carlsberg made a shooting association..." punchline. At present, they are sticking to their core business. Maybe if we petitioned them...
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baguio
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If you waste money on battles that you have no realistic chance of winning you're 1. An 1diot and 2. Reducing your chances of of winning battles that were winnable if there had been enough money left in the kitty to fight them!
The organisation will be looked at a sensible by the more intellectual members who would certainly not be impressed with their company wasting money! The lead ban being a perfect example!
If the result is nailed on don't chuck money at trying to change it. That's obvious to anyone surely?
baguio
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General License in Wales I believe! Packman had his butt kicked! I'm sure that @Conor O'Gorman could expand on that?
jimmy milnes
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Hopefully so
And where was the explanation over the main duck out?
jimmy milnes
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Seconded, I like Charlie an his gang and believe they'd be good to get behind if they pushed a real organisation forward
Maybe a kind hearted lottery winner could help out, I know I would if tonight's, or even better, Tuesday's pick were to come to fruition.Seconded, I like Charlie an his gang and believe they'd be good to get behind if they pushed a real organisation forward
Rewulf
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BASC didn't fight the case, Natural Resources Wales did , BASC say they put up £140k to help NRW on a case they could barely lose ?
WJ lost , so should have paid costs anyway?
When have BASC EVER spent members money fighting a case , unless they knew they couldn't possibly lose?
How much have they spent fighting the GP letter fiasco ?
How much have they spent on lead shot toxicity research ?
I think you know the answer.
Basc takes MILLIONS a year in subs advertising and training courses, how much do they actually spend on providing services , and how much goes into the wage pot ?
terrier1
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You can't ask BASC questions like that. Just do as you are told.
I hope he does, as I recall they were a minor party in that, but thanks for reminding me they didn't or rather couldn't claim costs on that
Conor O'Gorman
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A few links below explaining what happened and the progression of events and our part in the fight - and its not over yet.
Fighting for general licences Wales
Welsh General Licences and the long-term future of shooting - BASC
As shooting in Wales returns to some normality after the firebreak lockdown, we are still facing challenges that could affect us in the long-term. Read how BASC is tackling these threats.
basc.org.uk
BASC hails High Court decision as a victory for the countryside
Significant win in the courts as judge rejects Wild Justice’s claim on general licences.
basc.org.uk
NRW consultation considers removing magpies from Welsh general licence - BASC
BASC is urging members and wider shooting community to be aware and respond to a new consultation on general and individual licences for the shooting and trapping of wild birds launched today (19th August) in Read more…
basc.org.uk
Fighting against snares ban in Wales
BASC opposes ban on snares in Wales - BASC
BASC opposes a proposal to ban snares in Wales and is calling on the Welsh Government to justify the plans by producing scientific evidence.
basc.org.uk
Latest political work in Wales
BASC requests inquiry into shooting's contribution in Wales
BASC has approached the Welsh Government to request an enquiry into the contribution shooting and shooting-related activities make in Wales.
basc.org.uk
Latest conservation work in Wales
Red squirrels and woodland resilence - BASC
BASC's Hamish Profit discusses woodland resilience and preserving the future of red squirrels throughout Wales.
basc.org.uk
BASC Live newsletter
There are lots of other battles and work across the UK and BASC members will be aware of these from updates in the magazine. For non-members wishing to see see what the key issues are as they develop and our work on these the best way of keeping up to date is signing up to BASC Live newsletter which is available to non-members and members alike.
BASC Live - BASC
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basc.org.uk
So is it legal to shoot pigeons on/over stubble?Fighting for general licences Wales
Welsh General Licences and the long-term future of shooting - BASC
As shooting in Wales returns to some normality after the firebreak lockdown, we are still facing challenges that could affect us in the long-term. Read how BASC is tackling these threats.
BASC hails High Court decision as a victory for the countryside
Significant win in the courts as judge rejects Wild Justice’s claim on general licences.
NRW consultation considers removing magpies from Welsh general licence - BASC
BASC is urging members and wider shooting community to be aware and respond to a new consultation on general and individual licences for the shooting and trapping of wild birds launched today (19th August) in Read more…
Is roost shooting of pigeons legal?
baguio
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You're doing yourself no favours. The fact that you mentioned it confirms to me that you full well know that they couldn't claim costs because they weren't being taken to court and simply volunteered their time, money and expertise to the fight. Something that they couldn't have done if they had wasted it on stuff like fighting lead bans!
baguio
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They don't have to explain or issue the minutes of every meeting. That would be ridiculous. Regardless, they don't need to because 99% of the members are intelligent enough to know the obvious answers without an explanation.
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