Who would or wouldn’t give free stalking and training to people you don't know personally through family or similar

Who would give out free stalking and training to people you don’t know personally YES. Or. NO

  • Yes or no

    Votes: 7 6.9%
  • YES

    Votes: 52 51.5%
  • NO

    Votes: 44 43.6%

  • Total voters
    101
Yes but like me they may think they are pestering you all the time . A member offered to help me I am so grateful for the help given me.
It is a balancing act. But I have plenty of people who want to come out with me. Not that I am Mr Personality or anything. If someone comes out And I am happy I will give him an idea of when to call me again. Ie, what month. Mainly because I am not overrun with land and I don’t go out every day as it is a hobby.
 
When I started stalking some 11 years ago I was warned not to be too generous with information and access to my permission.
Bitter experience has now taught me that was the correct advice.
  • Most Stalkers I have taken on my land enjoyed my hospitality: Coffee, food, a beer afterwards... and promised to reciprocate my invite, but haven't.
  • Most Stalkers I have taken by the hand and guided on my permissions to shoot a deer with my rifle, and then shown a week later how to skin and butcher, and given them the entire carcass to take home, all with no money changing hands, have not even had the courtesy to get back to me later on saying something about how they enjoyed the venison or likewise. Just nothing. Are they expecting me to invite them again? Did I hear from them again? No.
  • And some Stalkers who I have helped to get their own permission with an agreement for me to still have some access to that permission have quickly broken that Gentleman's Agreement by bringing in their own people and then excluding me and others who were part of that agreement.
  • Most of the Gents who I have added to my License as 'Authorised Persons' on land where I am contracted as a Licensee turned out to be 'permission collectors' and may only put in one or two appearances each year, and a few of them have managed not to show up for several years, but every year again are very keen on their permission being renewed.
  • Most Stalkers who made arrangements to collect a good head (I am not into trophies myself, but am happy to give them away) haven't turned up on the agreed date and time, and can't be bothered to send you a message.
  • I have passed on a few permissions to other Stalkers who had no land, or insufficient land. So an introduction and recommendation to the landowner, papers sorted, and time spent on a walk-over and tips and hints, maps, etc. etc. Several years later those landowners come back to you and tell you that Jo Bloggs has only ever been once or twice, and after that they never heard from them again. 'And can you please come back Erik'. One even had the nerve to demand a site meeting with me after just ONE stalk on which occasion he/she didn't see any deer, asking me aggressively 'where all the deer are', as he/she 'hadn't seen any'. He/she never returned to that land (400 Acres of Prime Cotswolds mixed farm land/coppice/spinneys/brooks) and didn't have the courtesy to inform the landowner.
  • The last person I helped to a permission in a friend's woodland was made clear it was on the condition he would visit once a fortnight. He did keep this up for 6 months, then disappeared off the radar. This particular landowner has now got four Stalkers, three of whom never stalk, and just one who does.
No wonder the UK has a big problem with too many deer and insufficient attention to population control by focussing on the female species. Is that because in Winter it is often cold and wet? :)

In my life I have been involved with all kinds of sports and clubs doing Judo, Mixed Martial Arts, windsurfing, sailing, swimming and beach Life-guard duties, and course-fishing. My kids have played football, rugby and cricket. In all those sports and hobbies there is a strong culture of looking after the youth and nurturing new talent, sharing and tutoring and mentoring and coaching and learning. Sadly that it not so much the case in deer stalking, which is dominated by permission-collectors, jealousy, envy, hatred, and secrecy.

Finishing on a positive note, I said 'most' and 'some' and not 'all'. There are some excellent and reliable people out there as well and with them you form a long and good relationship and often friendship, based on sharing, trust and reliability. The rewards and pay-offs of knowing those people are mutual.
 
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Reading the above I can see why not many are willing to help and now fully understand. Many years ago I was offered Pidgeon shooting only on a large estate in Kent and told I could only use one to field after two visits left as there was no Pidgeon around and told by others this is why they offer it every few weeks . But at least I had been offered it.
 
Interesting to read through this thread.
I actually had a bad experience on the opposite side of the equation.
Years back, before I had my own permissions and centrefires, I was really struggling to get a rabbit permission to shoot.
Up popped this chap and offered to share his permission with me.
I was overjoyed and incredibly thankful (he had no car so I did all the driving, collecting him, dropping him off, lending his some of my gear etc etc etc).
I made it clear how thankful I was and that from my perspective it was his permission, I would only ever attend there if asked by him.
The first dozen or so trips out went well, a seemingly nice guy and knowledgeable enough too.
Then it started to go ‘wrong’. He’d make arrangements for me to collect him at dark o’clock from his house and when I arrived the house was in darkness, no answer on his mobile etc - this started to become a regular occurrence.
He’d phone me later that day and apologise saying that he’d got drunk the night before and overslept, or that he’d got up and seen it was raining so went back to bed as thought I wouldn’t appear at the arranged time.
Other times he’d not bother calling after failing to turn up and then message me a few days later making up some excuse or other which was clearly a lie.
It got so bad that I just stopped bothering with him and knocked that permission on the head.
I suspect his behaviour was alcohol and drug related, but there you go, I kept my word to him, always acted politely and thankfully, and never returned to the permission.
Some people, are just wasters.
 
Whilst not wet behind the ears regards field sports I’m new to Stalking and going through the whole process DSC1 & FAC . I have two small permissions that i got under my own steam that I look after on my own and will most likely keep that way, but through how I’ve behaved it’s opened other doors as trust has been earned .
As for the Stalking side I want to start off correctly so will pay my way when I can afford to book Stalks, I’ve been kindly offered gralloching experience from a forum member and I’m really grateful for this opportunity and the least I can do is turn up on time with a spring in my step, shout the breakfast and give a good account of myself .
For most it seems like small steps but for me it’s important to show that I’m dependable and not some numpty just trying to blag my way wherever for my own gains . I’m just as interested and up for helping with things like constructing and placement of high seats and the like that way I’m learning and proving my character at the same time rather than wanting to go Stalking straight off the bat .
It’s unfortunate that experienced members have offered to show people how it’s done or taken them under their wing so to speak only to be let down.
 
Long time ago I mentored a long standing pal , I helped him get a cert cleared for rifle on my bit of green and others along the way , no problems its who I am! I enjoy helping others out and still do lol , But in this case he stole my hard found patch with a fist full of £50's .
So Yes if I had my own ground again and add a No as I would't let them just truck up .
Thanks to this site i'v had many a promise most don't happen but some do and for that I am very grateful .
 
I used to take paying guests out. Idont anymore. I still take out the odd non paying guest out. I usually know them and enjoy seeing them getting a beast. Most guests were Ok. Only once did I refuse to take a guest back out. I would at times like a clone of myself, so I could get him to do the donkey work.
 
I wouldn’t take an unknown out, have been tempted to offer to a couple on this site but haven’t because that said I do take friends out regularly, and would struggle time wise to get more people out. I am mentoring one chap off of here who I’ve known a long time and have a couple of young lads at work I am introducing to stalking and field shooting generally, plus the guys who help me out with vermin get at least a couple of stalks a year.

So to answer the poll, no, not unknown people but I am quite generous with people I do know.
 
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I was offered help by a mentor in the past and a couple of other's of this site I hope they were happy with me and I would never do anything to upset them as I was grateful for there help.
 
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