Ridiculous rates for ammunition will end recreational shooting

[gixer1]

You should see my ammo primer cabinet

As funny as that is I bought 3000 primers a while ago…not hoarding but I wanted to make sure I got a same batch thing but now I’m glad I did!

With components the prices they are has anyone worked out their price per round? Not sure it’s a cost saver now, I think more are reloading for the consistency.

Another good way to price people out of shooting, I can’t think of many other industries where the equipment has jumped up in price 100+% (PPU 243/20 were £11 now ar £22!)

 

[gixer1]

Rifle - £500-£1000-5000
Scopes - £500 £1000-3000
Binoculars- £500-3000
Clothes and misc kit £1000? Estimate
Stalking days to leases £100-£1000s
Vehicles
Dogs
Travel costs

Granted the price is higher but is the ammo really the main consideration ?

Find it also little contrary that people complain about the price of a slab of shotgun cartridges when they are off on a £600-1000 driven day


Its like driving 10 miles more to save 2p on fuel

There are some brands that frankly take the ****
But on the whole you can get hunting ammo within a sensible price range

You are always going to pay more for something that is significantly more time involved to make

Just because something relating to an event is expensive doesn’t mean the price of everything else relating to it can leap up in ridiculous percentages!

Commodities used have not jumped at the same price as the ammunition. It’s been 100% increase in many cases, however lead in 4 years hasn’t gone up 100% it was £135 in 2017/18 and is now £189….have a look at the ammunition price increase….anyone would think it was a conspiracy…and it could be!

 

[Freeforester]

That’s how 21 people died in Scotland in 1996

Well, was that lead poisoning?

Food poisoning deaths inquiry shields British meat industry

(link randomly plucked from the internet, I’m no socialist, just not an advancer of the BBC!)

 

[finnbear270]

Except for those who looked to the future & bought in.

 

[Leupsak]

Well, was that lead poisoning?

Food poisoning deaths inquiry shields British meat industry

As I stated, contamination and a lack of due diligence in food production, lead was not mentioned.

 

[slider]

Yes ammo costs are way up, and I don't like it anymore than anymore else, but ti say it will put an end to recreational stalking is wrong.

If a true recreational stalker pays £100+ for an outing or £500 a year for a lease has a £1000 rifle, £1500 thermal, £700 scope and all the other palaver and only shoots 5 or 6 , even 20 beast a year the cost of ammo is insignificant

 

[Freeforester]

As I stated, contamination and a lack of due diligence in food production, lead was not mentioned.

Strangely enough, when a similar problem was discovered in Scotland’s venison processing industry in the intervening years (at the larger end of the spectrum), it seemed that the transgressor was the processing plant and not the primary supplier, and they pretty well got away with it, just saying.

 

[Leupsak]

Strangely enough, when a similar problem was discovered in Scotland’s venison processing industry in the intervening years (at the larger end of the spectrum), it seemed that the transgressor was the processing plant and not the primary supplier, and they pretty well got away with it, just saying.

So often the case

 

[Bowland blades]

Ammo prices cannot end shooting , think about it ! If ammo doesn't sell nobody makes any money . Simple business law dictates that someone will find a way to match product to cost .
In all markets where demand is higher than supply prices rise but it cannot last ! Every ammo shortage goes the same way . The greedy buy more than they can use, Those that need it slow down the speed they use it up ! Hence demand hits a wall and manufacturers are left with more stock and less income , so prices climb back down .

The only thing that could kill off shooting long term is electing the wrong politicians

 

[Bowland blades]

And as for inflation, well the electorate voted for Boris. We were all warned of dangers of Brexit, and then the dangers of Boris. But we told we are whining remoaners, communists, lefties etc etc etc.

The country is hugely in debt, we rely on cheap imports all of which require hard currency to buy and we have to compete on the global market for everything we import. Nobody wants British goods and services - they simply don’t trust the UK so our currency is devalued, which compounds the fact that we have to compete on the global market, making everything we buy even more expensive.

And as for wages going up, well if employers are having to pay more for the goods, their margins are going down, so that means less money to pay wages, and certainly much less money to pay bonuses etc.

And because of our political shenanigans, capital is moving away from the UK - investors can move their capital elsewhere, which means lack of investment in the UK, which means less competitiveness, which means continued downward spiral.

I have lived and worked in the developing world, believe me we have seen nothing yet. Take Zimbabwe - a basic new Toyota Hilux costs over US$100,000 by the time it arrives in the country and all the import taxes, sales taxes etc etc are paid. A typical middle class Zimbabwean still cannot afford a car.

Yeah , electing the wrong politicians! Unfortunately our leaders are controlled by the wrong motivation and its mainly a hidden one , with lots of smoke and mirrors

 

[Drum123]

actually the £ is currently 1.19839 against the euro and trending up.

Theres usually room in every post for the same old shite blaming brexit for something thats happening throughout the world.

 

[finnbear270]

Ammo prices cannot end shooting , think about it ! If ammo doesn't sell nobody makes any money . Simple business law dictates that someone will find a way to match product to cost .
In all markets where demand is higher than supply prices rise but it cannot last ! Every ammo shortage goes the same way . The greedy buy more than they can use, Those that need it slow down the speed they use it up ! Hence demand hits a wall and manufacturers are left with more stock and less income , so prices climb back down .

The only thing that could kill off shooting long term is electing the wrong politicians

Or having no real organisational support for shooting (Within the court room that is).

 

[Bowland blades]

Or ha

Or having no real organisational support for shooting (Within the court room that is).

Less than 1 in 5 licence holders join any organisation that actually fights for shooting . I wouldn't mind a bet on the majority who do have to , if everyone did own a gun we would have the power to move the ballance in elections let alone protect shooting future.
Look at the American NRA it's a big thing votes wise !

 

[JTO]

Lot of primers already at £95 per hundred

Now that would be a problem if it were true! Per THOUSAND, perhaps!

 

[User00040]

Yes ammo costs are way up, and I don't like it anymore than anymore else, but ti say it will put an end to recreational stalking is wrong.

If a true recreational stalker pays £100+ for an outing or £500 a year for a lease has a £1000 rifle, £1500 thermal, £700 scope and all the other palaver and only shoots 5 or 6 , even 20 beast a year the cost of ammo is insignificant

I shoot around 1,000 rounds of centrefire ammo a year for practise and stalking in my leisure time, and around 300-500 for culling work.

1,000-2,000 rounds a year is by no means a lot of ammo to shoot.

I'd be very worried about the ability of someone who only fired 20 rounds a year.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Went into a gunshop today, and for a laugh, asked to have a look at some factory 'lead-free' offerings.

Prices ranged from £39.99 to £80 for a box of 20 centrefire rounds. Average was £50-60.

These rates will only be going up.

On the other hand, primer rationing has already begun... not good news as the next shipment is predicted to be up 60% in price.

£3 a bang thats all, cheaper than a packet of fags or a pint.

I was loading barnes 15 years ago at £1.50 a pop didnt stop me shooting over 100 animals a year.

 

[User00040]

£3 a bang thats all, cheaper than a packet of fags or a pint.

I was loading barnes 15 years ago at £1.50 a pop didnt stop me shooting over 100 animals a year.

How many packs of cigs and pints are you going through a day?

If it's as much as I shoot, your GP would like to see you...

 

[foxdropper]

Neither lead nor copper are magnetic ,just saying

We use detection units and check deer before sent and I know our game dealer also uses metal detectors, no myth, detection units have been in use for years, tolerance of lead in carcasses is all that has changed

 

[Liveonce]

Ammo prices cannot end shooting , think about it ! If ammo doesn't sell nobody makes any money . Simple business law dictates that someone will find a way to match product to cost .
In all markets where demand is higher than supply prices rise but it cannot last ! Every ammo shortage goes the same way . The greedy buy more than they can use, Those that need it slow down the speed they use it up ! Hence demand hits a wall and manufacturers are left with more stock and less income , so prices climb back down .

The only thing that could kill off shooting long term is electing the wrong politicians

Only fault with that logic is you are assuming the rising prices are all down to the manufacture.
prices are rising due to issues outside the control of the manufacture, like commodity prices, energy costs and transport/import costs.

 

[slider]

I shoot around 1,000 rounds of centrefire ammo a year for practise and stalking in my leisure time, and around 300-500 for culling work.

1,000-2,000 rounds a year is by no means a lot of ammo to shoot.

I'd be very worried about the ability of someone who only fired 20 rounds a year.

Your OP was about recreational stalking, I don't think you are a typical rec stalker. Many will only be out a half dozen times a year.
personally I shoot about 20 deer a year and probably fore the same again on zero checks. I don't see home I would gain from firing off 1000 rounds!