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tdawson

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Twitter is busy again echoing the latest ‘raptor persecution’ news. The final comment is “The majority of these crimes have been linked to driven grouse shooting.” Is this outright bulls**t from the anti-shooting brigade, or are some gamekeepers behaving so stupidly that the thin end of the wedge has been hammered in a bit further?

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Goshawk nest attacked in Peak District National Park – Derbyshire Police appeal for information

An appeal for information by Derbyshire Police’s Rural Crime Team (21st August 2022): ‘Back in June this year a larch tree at Westend in the Upper Derwent Valley which was home to a pai…
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Its the same old same old.

Now if the 'alleged' crime happened way back in June why wait till now to appeal for information, just seems very odd to me as usual with many of these cases.
If they have the evidence but need more why wait 2 months before asking for it?? Just bonkers really.
If they truely want to catch these folk they need to be asking for other evidence straight away, many folk can't mind wot they had for tea last night never mind wot they may or may not have seen back in june
To be fair they are a week or 2 late, usually these press releases come out just before the 12th.

I have no idea if this actually happened or who is to blame for it but its the sitting on a crime/evidence just to gather as much PR as they can months later seems wrong to me especially if they have let a guilty person escape because of it.
Or possibly the PR and front page headlines is all they care about?
 
Egg collectors... little chance a game keeper is going to "drill and bolt" a sport climb up a tree, buy rope harness and associated kit in order to grab a couple of eggs! That's my opinion anyway...
 
There are so many holes in this story it’s like a colander.

So given the numerous ways someone could go about illegally destroying the goshawks and/or nest the perpetrator spends hours with their black & decker drill along with some steel bars and effectively builds a spiral staircase?
 
Trickyd66 said:
Egg collectors... little chance a game keeper is going to "drill and bolt" a sport climb up a tree, buy rope harness and associated kit in order to grab a couple of eggs! That's my opinion anyway...
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Would egg collectors, to quote the article “it was discovered that the tree had drilled holes and bolts all the way up it” surely there are far easier ways such as spikes and harness which would not require drilling holes all the way and inserting bolts
 
Cumbrian 1 said:
Would egg collectors, to quote the article “it was discovered that the tree had drilled holes and bolts all the way up it” surely there are far easier ways such as spikes and harness which would not require drilling holes all the way and inserting bolts
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Agreed... but double checked and no reports on Derbyshire police website that I can see. So did it happen?
 
There’s been a pair of goshawks nest in a forest near me (very public and some of you may have been there for a short break) ,they’ve been there years always nest in the same area,the nest tree gets spiked every year,I assume they ring the chicks because I’ve seen the parents feeding young after it’s been climbed
 
Like others have said not very likely a keeper doing that and to be fair not even likely an egg collector either, or atleast not a very good 1 ( if such a thing exisists)

Dunno wot sort of tree it was but from the photo looks pretty straight with not a lot of branches, someone even half decent on spikes would be up that tree fairly silently in 10 or 20 mins if that.
If u had the balls to free spike it a lot quickier, inmy daft youth i'd free spike quite high up trees in no time at all ( just to add n ot to steal eggs or destroy nests)
Too old for that now, hurts too much if u fall out
No drilling holes and battering metal spikes in.

I dunno that much about gossy's nesting habits but most BoP would tolerate someone drilling holes and battering spikes in below an active nest.
I dunno how aggressive they are at defending a nest site but i certainly wouldnae want an angry gossy dive bombing me while i'm trying to climb/build a bodged spiral staircase up a tree.

None of the story makes any sense.
They would get on far better creating fictional stories that atleast are believable
 
Trickyd66 said:
Agreed... but double checked and no reports on Derbyshire police website that I can see. So did it happen?
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And checked derbyshire fb page, nothing
deerstalker.308 said:
It did happen (I work for FE), the report of the method of approach is also accurate. As to the rest, jury is out.
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Thanks.. just odd that I can't find anything on the derbyshire website or fb page to back up the report?
 
Trickyd66 said:
And checked derbyshire fb page, nothing

Thanks.. just odd that I can't find anything on the derbyshire website or fb page to back up the report?
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Try Derbyshire Rural Crime FB page.
The problem is these morons try and link any crime against raptors to grouse shooting or any other form of hunting.
 
The real crime happens on RSPB reserves, where they buy land and then proceed to denude the area of the species that took their fancy, take a look at their track record objectively and it’s clear to see who the ‘wildlife criminals’ are

…and scarce a finger, do they raise, to ease their plight this day,
preferring ‘expert’-types to praise, whilst watching them decay…
 
Thanks. That took some finding... but if they didn't want the eggs, on that tree battery chainsaw would have got rid of them forever? Less forensics, etc. As I said, egg collector or someone wants a cheap goshawk.
 
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