Tree planting on agricultural land 😡🤬

Market forces I'm afraid, I imagine it'll probably go full circle.
In the 70 folk were paid to drain moorland now they're paid for making it wet again.
Suppose trees are better than houses!
True, and they were paid to rip hedges out, and now they get paid to put them back in again, that's how they justify handing out cash to their chums for nowt.
 
True, and they were paid to rip hedges out, and now they get paid to put them back in again, that's how they justify handing out cash to their chums for nowt.
It's what happens when politicians decide to take control of things they know nothing about. Achieve compliance through bribery so a box can be ticked and credit claimed. The next year there's a different set of boxes and they'll do whatever it takes to tick those as well. Exactly what happened with diesel cars.
 
Not sure if this point has been made, but…

There have been some recent analyses of the global consequences of tree planting on arable land in the UK. Because of the efficiency and productivity of UK arable land, on average there is a 3:1 ratio of output: 1 acre of UK arable land produces the same amount of food as 3 acres of land in the tropics (at the moment).

This means that when you lose an acre of food production in the UK, that may put pressure on somewhere else in the world to clear 3 acres of as yet undisturbed habitat to make up the loss.

So it may be that planting an acre of trees in the UK leads to 3 acres of deforestation in tropical forest (though this is very uncertain).

I only recently appreciated this tradeoff, even though it seems obvious in retrospect.
 
Not sure if this point has been made, but…

There have been some recent analyses of the global consequences of tree planting on arable land in the UK. Because of the efficiency and productivity of UK arable land, on average there is a 3:1 ratio of output: 1 acre of UK arable land produces the same amount of food as 3 acres of land in the tropics (at the moment).

This means that when you lose an acre of food production in the UK, that may put pressure on somewhere else in the world to clear 3 acres of as yet undisturbed habitat to make up the loss.

So it may be that planting an acre of trees in the UK leads to 3 acres of deforestation in tropical forest (though this is very uncertain).

I only recently appreciated this tradeoff, even though it seems obvious in retrospect.
That is then equally true of every acre of UK farmland lost to house building and solar arrays. So the governments insatiable desire to increase the population and green-wash it's non-existent energy policy is causing irreparable environmental damage both here and abroad. A double whammy.
 
That is then equally true of every acre of UK farmland lost to house building and solar arrays. So the governments insatiable desire to increase the population and green-wash it's non-existent energy policy is causing irreparable environmental damage both here and abroad. A double whammy.
I believe the ground coverage of peat bog in the UK was still more than that of housing just a few years ago, things may have changed a bit!
 
Not sure if this point has been made, but…

There have been some recent analyses of the global consequences of tree planting on arable land in the UK. Because of the efficiency and productivity of UK arable land, on average there is a 3:1 ratio of output: 1 acre of UK arable land produces the same amount of food as 3 acres of land in the tropics (at the moment).

This means that when you lose an acre of food production in the UK, that may put pressure on somewhere else in the world to clear 3 acres of as yet undisturbed habitat to make up the loss.

So it may be that planting an acre of trees in the UK leads to 3 acres of deforestation in tropical forest (though this is very uncertain).

I only recently appreciated this tradeoff, even though it seems obvious in retrospect.

Greenwashing does not want this known.

Do the sums and some thinking then windfarms, solar panels, electric cars also come out as obvious cons/grant schemes.

I know someone who decided to buy an electric car when diesel prices were high, then started to realise they had f*cked up as the council started charging for use of the once free electric charging point...
 
Greenwashing does not want this known.

Do the sums and some thinking then windfarms, solar panels, electric cars also come out as obvious cons/grant schemes.

I know someone who decided to buy an electric car when diesel prices were high, then started to realise they had f*cked up as the council started charging for use of the once free electric charging point...
It’s not clear that this is entirely true of wind farms or solar, especially if they are sited sensibly.

It’s a mistake to say all green infrastructure development is a con, in the same way it’s a mistake to say all traditional land use and energy is bad.

Need to be careful (on both sides) of letting political convictions get in the way of rational assessment. And, as today’s announcement about cuts to oil production shows once again, it is demonstrably a bad idea to rely too heavily on energy produced by people whose interests really do not align with ours.
 
It’s not clear that this is entirely true of wind farms or solar, especially if they are sited sensibly.

It’s a mistake to say all green infrastructure development is a con, in the same way it’s a mistake to say all traditional land use and energy is bad.

Ask yourself, would any of these supposed green energy projects be possible without petroleum derived energy and products, which they are supposed to replace?

The answer is No!

Need to be careful (on both sides) of letting political convictions get in the way of rational assessment. And, as today’s announcement about cuts to oil production shows once again, it is demonstrably a bad idea to rely too heavily on energy produced by people whose interests really do not align with ours.

Worst thing that happened to the Middle East (and countries like Brunei) is the petrodollar/oil money, they don't have the ability to manage it vs. a modern and educated nation like Norway.

Not knowing what do to with money is why they have the most skyscrapers and supercars per capita
 
What a fantastic effort and it's really great to hear. A mosaic of habitats is exactly right. It's the difference between being a custodian of the land and an asset stripper.
What crops are you growing? Are you organic? Sounds like you've got the perfect foundation for it if not. When I lived down south I did a lot of hedge laying for a 2000 acre organic farm and they're doing extremely well. They've brought a significant area of chalk downland back to life and they're making good money. Keep up the good work. And I swear, when you care for the land like that the wildlife know you're on their side and respond accordingly.

Paying dividends IMG_5714.webpIMG_5688.webpIMG_5689.webpIMG_5795.webp
 
With all this new tree planting, why is all the concentration on eradicating deer, when grey squirrels can get through any deer fence, climb any tree tube and munch any new trees?
 
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