Hunting Accidents - Human Factors

Heym SR20

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There has been a recent thread on whether or not Forestry is safe Backdrop. This has led to several comments thta we have a very low hunter accident rate in the UK and thus chances of an accident are very low. Also comment that New Zealand has a very accident rate, which prompted me to do a little quick research using Google. Having been involved in potentially dangerous sports for most of my life - paragliding, offpiste skiing etc, risk mitigation is a very constant thread, and a large part of the learning is looking at causes and how to avoid becoming a statistic. And more experience in many many cases is a contributing factor to many many accidents.

New Zealand is a country with a land mass about that of the UK, but with a population about that of Scotland. But New Zealand has a very high fatal shooting accident rate amongst hunters.

Just found this interesting paper on Hunting Accidents in New Zealand published in 2015. Most seem to happen with experienced hunters and their brain fills in the bits that are missing, and the brain becomes convinced that it is a deer. We all know how that white patch is the bum of a deer, and that brown bit to the left is the body etc. And Heuristic factors come into play as well. The guide has put me in this highseat and said any shot is safe etc etc.

Third Paragraph of the introduction

On average, a hunter is accidentally killed every nine months in New Zealand. To date in 2015, there have been two accidents where target misidentification was a factor, one of which was fatal. The majority of fatalities involving misidentified targets occur in big game as opposed to small game hunting. In New Zealand the accidents primarily involve deer hunting. A 2003 report1 by Inspector Joe Green of the New Zealand Police analysed 33 fatal deer hunting accidents occurring between 1979 and 2002. Incorrect target identification was by far the largest contributor (64%) in the cases examined, and figures from overseas appear to be similar, if not higher.

https://eprints.hud.ac.uk/id/eprint/28868/1/Mistaken for Game Hunting accidents – a human factors review - Final - V9.0.pdf



Doing some further quick reading - this article on Fishing Outdoors NZ does add some interesting thoughts. A lot of NZ hunting accidents probably being driven by the view that the only good deer is a dead deer, and any deer seen should be shot. Hence lots of pressure to shoot deer. Translate this to the UK, and the current view from the powers that be that deer are pests, and contractors are being paid per deer shot etc. This is just adding huge pressures on deer being shot. Even more reason why we should be very very mindful of correct identification of targets etc.

Analysis of hunting accidents offers a sobering reflection | Fishing and Outdoors

The Human Factors reveiw paper is well worth a quick read as it does rather highlight a lot of things that we all should be thinking about. Especially the fact that the majority of fatal accidents came about through incorrect target identification - "I was sure it was a deer".

Discuss
 
Don’t know if this is a factor, but is more UK land privately owned as opposed to state owned in NZ?
Maybe the type of ownership affects the level of activity on the land, ie I notify a landowner if I am to shoot on the land and if someone else is going to be there then he will say no.
Only one gun on a patch at any time.
 
Don’t know if this is a factor, but is more UK land privately owned as opposed to state owned in NZ?
Maybe the type of ownership affects the level of activity on the land, ie I notify a landowner if I am to shoot on the land and if someone else is going to be there then he will say no.
Only one gun on a patch at any time.
Exactly this.

We are very different to places like NZ and the USA in that we have nowhere where multiple people unknown to each other can hunt simultaneously on the same ground.
 
NZ has a rifle-deer hunting culture that is accessible to all due to DOC (Department of Conservation) land.

If the UK were to open up the equivalent (FE and FLS) land to all and sundry rec stalkers as some here want, instead of contractors, then larders would have less coming in whilst the morgue would see more...
 
NZ has a rifle-deer hunting culture that is accessible to all due to DOC (Department of Conservation) land.

If the UK were to open up the equivalent (FE and FLS) land to all and sundry rec stalkers as some here want, instead of contractors, then larders would have less coming in whilst the morgue would see more...


Hopefully not a direct exchange on a one for one basis !! 🤣
 
A tag system, where hunters are given the exclusive right to shoot over a specific bit of ground, to me has the same risk to the public as a contractor scheme, assuming the system is regulated and everyone is trained sufficiently (as discussed ad nauseam in other posts).

All over the UK, the police don't really take trespass seriously (as an offense in isolation) so in practice you can come across people anytime and anywhere.
 
Don’t know if this is a factor, but is more UK land privately owned as opposed to state owned in NZ?
Maybe the type of ownership affects the level of activity on the land, ie I notify a landowner if I am to shoot on the land and if someone else is going to be there then he will say no.
Only one gun on a patch at any time.
If you look at the NZ case a number of the accidents seem to be where one hunter shoots his hunting buddy who he thought was in a different place.

Agree that in the UK we don’t often cases where different hunters are out on the same block. But it has happened to me where directions are not clear or have been ignored.

And lets forget that the UK countryside is criss crossed with public rights of way. In Scotland there is freedom of access to countryside, and in England many think that there is and act accordingly. In England trespass is a civil matter rather than criminal.

We are in the fortunate position of having very few hunting accidents. It is because hunters are careful and vigilant. Alarms bells should start ringing when people says it only applies elsewhere and that it will never happen or risks are minimal etc.
 
Don’t know if this is a factor, but is more UK land privately owned as opposed to state owned in NZ?
Maybe the type of ownership affects the level of activity on the land, ie I notify a landowner if I am to shoot on the land and if someone else is going to be there then he will say no.
Only one gun on a patch at any time.
He really upset you about n that other thread didn’t he!
 
Have watched a number of NZ hunts, and elsewhere and am cognizant of the lack of hunter orange being worn, perhaps this could help identify targets. Here if deer hunting I must wear I believe 100 Sq inches of solid orange, so none of that orange camo but a solid vest/jacket and an orange hat.
Different rules for archery hunting, or if up a tree or in a blind
 
''33 deaths in NZ between 1979 and 2002'' pah that's nothing the French are the daddy's when it comes to non identification of quarry, they did 8 in a year (2021 - 2022) 90 recorded f**k ups were also recorded as non fatal
 
Trespass may well be a civil offence, but google says the only thing a UK landowner can do is 'tell the person' to leave. Unless as above the trespasser is committing another crime aswell. Sounds pretty weak to me.
 
He really upset you about n that other thread didn’t he!
Not at all. Different thread, different discussion!

And I have been in meetings as opposed to arguing with someone I don’t know and will, hopefully, never meet!!

Thick skin - just like a constructive debate, else this site becomes irrelevant
 
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Maybe there are also more pot-shots taken in NZ…just saying….🤷🏻‍♂️

Certainly know of one twit that was doing it and thought he was Carlos Hathcock reborn….
 
not my concern what happens in nz as not planning a trip but would seem they have got something wrong along with the french.🤔
 
Having had antis trespassing when out with hounds and asking them to leave, I consulted a police inspector who was on the road what could be done. I was told reasonable force could be exerted to remove them by the landowner or his servants.. Having gone back and told them to go.in a loud voice so the police could hear and getting a refusal they were warned about possible actions. They refused. The farm manager a big chap then picked one up depositing him feet first not too gently on the grass verge over the hedge. He enquired if that was reasonable and the police said yes. The rest departed quickly.
Circa 1977, how times have changed
 
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