One for one or two held then divesting of slot after sale.

[kes]

Can anyone please point me to the section of the guidance which says you must sell before you can replace a calibre or alternatively where it says that you may aquire one of an approved calibre and then divest of the second rifle and surrender the slot ?
It seems to me that either should be acceptable provided there is an agreed timeperiod within which the second of the two calbred rifles is sold ?
Thanks

 

[Greenmist]

IIRC this was previously done in Scotland, but never England and Wales

 

[andyk]

Is it not just a function of how the legislation is drafted?

You have to apply and justify each firearm and cannot acquire without a specific authority. You can’t truly “swap” one firearm for another as the new acquisition requires a new authority (and a true “swap” would mean you can use the existing authority).

The usual way of achieving a new authority is to sell the old rifle and seek a variation (1:1) on the basis that your god reason remains but you no longer have the old rifle, so a new authority can be granted in place.

I’m not aware of any provision existing which says you an keep the old rifle for a finite period while you fill a new authority.

That said, there’s no reason (in principle) why the FLD couldn’t grant a second authority for a new gun (using existing good reason plus the need to acquire a replacement without buying without a rifle) and then, say, condition your FAC to say that you must dispose of the old rifle within x days of the replacement being acquired. After all, there’s no legal definition of good reason so it would be open to permit this - whether it would be is another matter.

 

[disco_ike]

Hi,

previously I have applied for a slot in the calibre I wish, using the same good reason as the existing. I add in the notes it is to allow me to acquire a replacement while not loosing access to that calibre. never had it turned down.

 

[CharlieT]

Like you I have always requested exactly that and never had it turned down.

 

[kes]

Well, we shall see I have requested a second slot to acquire and then will relinquish my current rifle and slot.

 

[Heym SR20]

Quite why we can’t have a system similar to Northern Ireland. You have a centrefire rifle. You want to change it. You go to RFD, he takes it off you, hands you the new one, paperwork sorted and police notified. And provided you within your limit of number of firearms who really cares if you are swapping a blued and wood 7x57 for a stainless and fucia pink stocked 6.5cm.

Removes a huge amount of work and embuggerance from the whole system.

 

[The Singing Stalker]

Quite why we can’t have a system similar to Northern Ireland. You have a centrefire rifle. You want to change it. You go to RFD, he takes it off you, hands you the new one, paperwork sorted and police notified. And provided you within your limit of number of firearms who really cares if you are swapping a blued and wood 7x57 for a stainless and fucia pink stocked 6.5cm.

Removes a huge amount of work and embuggerance from the whole system.

It sort of falls over if you sell privately I suppose.

 

[Heym SR20]

It sort of falls over if you sell privately I suppose.

Not really. Just entry on ticket and notifications to police

Sold 7x57 to xyz etc

Bought 6.5x55 from abc etc.

I will somebody in Northern ireland explain exactly how it works.

 

[Loki]

Hi

Will also depend on the whim (sorry I mean, the 'interpretation' of the Law and Guidance (yes, yes, its only guidance' we hear) of your local Firearms Licensing Team and there own 'internal (thinking?) policy')...........

L

 

[Will the chippy]

Because of supply issues a year or so ago, I didn't want to be without a rifle doing a 141. so I rang firearms to explain, I had to to pay to add another rifle onto my ticket, so I could buy one and sell one in one transaction. Cost me 20quid but so much less hassle.

 

[tim@tcs]

Quite why we can’t have a system similar to Northern Ireland. You have a centrefire rifle. You want to change it. You go to RFD, he takes it off you, hands you the new one, paperwork sorted and police notified. And provided you within your limit of number of firearms who really cares if you are swapping a blued and wood 7x57 for a stainless and fucia pink stocked 6.5cm.

Removes a huge amount of work and embuggerance from the whole system.

It was proposed to the trade by one of the many consultations in the last couple of years.
The trade in NI is suffering because new applications and renewals are taking longer than expected

 

[308tikka]

Had an NI FAC years ago. I prefer the attitude in English forces. A good chat with FEO and youll get space for acquisition. Then buy what you want and sell at leisure.

 

[Johno2486]

I have vacant slot sitting on my FAC for additional .22 rimmy, which I hadn't filled, I'm in process of buying new .270 + mod, so was going to do 141 for the change, but I was wanting current .270 for use throughout Oct on Arran.

I didnt really want to be without .270 by handing it over to RFD and wait on new FAC arriving by way of normal 141 process,
(I could have used my .308, but would have meant re-jigging slightly for copper) so I spoke with my FAO who advised me best/easiest course of action would be for me to surrender the vacant unfilled .22 slot on my FAC and swap it out for an additional .270 + mod (just reason was new .270 purely set up for non toxic, for use on Arran as I do deer control all year round for Sannox) so on Arran for at least 7 -10 days every month.

So this done in essence gave me 2 x .270 + mod slots on my FAC, I pick up new .270 in a weeks time, so current .270 going in as PX against new one, so once Police Scotland informed that this is coming off my FAC, will then give me a unfilled .270 slot on my FAC, which I can then in theory swap for another, providing I have just reason for other/new calibre of choice...that's the plan.

 

[DavyG]

Not really. Just entry on ticket and notifications to police

Sold 7x57 to xyz etc

Bought 6.5x55 from abc etc.

I will somebody in Northern ireland explain exactly how it works.

It’s known as a “one on, one off”. It is straight forward enough. Take the rifle you want to trade into your RFD and walk out with the new one. Ho
However, this can only happen when both rifles are in the same calibre “band”.
Now, I wish we had your system of being able to apply for a “slot” for a gun to be acquired. If I want to buy a gun from an RFD or an individual, I have to apply for that specific firearm and wait for the licensing authority to amend my FAC. This can take anything from a few weeks to several months.
Regards,
DG

 

[cjm1066]

As others have said it's a one for one.

Overly bureaucratic, it's one area where reform is required. SD members might have strong opinions on a Blazer v Tikka, Credmore v 308, but swapping between these could be done on line at your RFD within your FAC limit. Why is gained by the current system???

 

[VSS]

As others have said it's a one for one.

Overly bureaucratic, it's one area where reform is required. SD members might have strong opinions on a Blazer v Tikka, Credmore v 308, but swapping between these could be done on line at your RFD within your FAC limit. Why is gained by the current system???

Nothing.