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[BobJones]

These are the questions being used by the fuzz in at least 5 forces. Supplied by gwent police. I’ll leave you to determine what is nonsense or not. Basc are aligning themselves to this because they want a ten year certificate, but apparently discussions have taken place about the appropriateness of the questions so we hope for change. Frankly its all unnecessary. Feos have the ability to question and follow indicators but this is a step too far, unilateral and results in a refusal if you don’t supply details of on how to contact your current or ex partners. This should only be used if there is an indication to follow a path around domestic disharmony. Otherwise it is not proportionate. There is a huge bias towards men and no questions about female hormonal incidents and whether the partner of the applicant is actually the controlling factor blah blah you get my drift of you read it.


FIREARMS DA PARTNERS QUESTIONS

Would your partner ever get professional help if they had any mental health issues?

Has your partner ever mentioned suicide and if so, what has been mentioned?

Would your partner ever hurt an animal?

Would your partner ever hurt a child?

Does your partner have a fascination, or has a keen interest in criminality/criminals?

Does your partner have an interest with weapons, including non-licensed weapons such as cross bows, knives etc?

Has your partner obtained weapons from abroad or the UK that are not licensed?

Are you aware if your partner is on prescription medicine or non-prescription medications and if so what medication and what for?

Has your partner ever threatened to use, or has used a weapon on you?

Has your partner ever threatened to use, or has used a weapon on anyone else?

Is your partner anti- police?

Does your partner abide by rules and/or authority, or do they find it difficult?

Does your partner ever leave weapons out, in view or clean weapons in front of you to cause fear or control over you?

Have you got access to the weapons and/or keys?

Are you aware of any previous issues with any ex-partner?

In your relationship with your partner do you both make equal decisions, or does your partner tend to make the decisions?

Is there anything you feel you are not allowed, or cannot do because of your partner, as it may upset them?

Would your partner be more inclined to walk away from a fight/argument or start a fight/argument?

How much would it bother your partner if they lost their shotgun/firearms license?

Have they ever threatened professionals against you i.e social services taking the children?

If you needed to reach out to authorities/professionals, do you have a fear of not being believed by them and if so, why?

Do you know what your partner uses their weapon for?

Have you ever been fearful of your partner?

Do you have any concerns of the person having a shotgun/firearm?

Do you and your partner have a joint or separate bank account?

Do you have free access to money?

Are the weapons/hobbies prioritised over family/household expenditure?

Does your partner have a quick temper?

Does your partners mood affect the rest of the household?

Does your partner have a different persona outside the house in comparison to in the house?

 

[Cyres]

Unbelievable surely they cannot ask this?
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[BobJones]

Well they are. Asking if you have a dislike towards police - well this kind of causes that feeling

Importing guns etc well thats not entirely illegal ao another failure there.

The faults in this are endless but as usual police want a monkey see monkey do formulaic paper solution rather than let feo’s do their job. Usually there is only a need to embark on looking into domestic abuse etc where the applicant has a history. Its risk aversion gone mad.

 

[Eric the Red]

@Conor O'Gorman - please provide an official BASC statement on the above, covering the truth of the questions proposed to be asked, BASC's position on the asking of such questions (including their relevance), how answers are intended to be used given they are an opinion - and how that might be monitored (quis custodiet ipsos custodes) - and what would happen if a partner were to refuse to answer some or all of the questions.

 

[Yorkie]

'Would your partner ever hurt an Animal'. What a bizarre question.

 

[long_range_rob]

Stinks of confirmation bias. All weighted against the certificate holder.

 

[Davsim]

Hurt animals ,Hurt a child ?? This looks more like a psychopathy checklist than anything else .Extremely bias . Manipulative ?/controlling,hatred of police ,hatred of authority import weapons / use weapons against a person ,surely to god anyone that fit that criteria would have come to the attention of the police before now .?spend considerable money on their "Hobby " good look with finding an FAC holder that isn't.
As was posted on here by another member it was linked to a newspaper article .This was formulated with the help of a domestic abuse survivor . Could there be an agenda ?
The police have always had the ability to speak to your partner .Recently I had my renewal during the home visit my Mrs stayed in specifically in case the feo wanted to speak to her . She said it was only necessary, if they thought there was an issue ,and if they did it would be away from me . She hadn't heard anything about the questionnaire above .
The nature of those questions appears to be very LEADING. Answers or potential answers could be skewed a certain way .
The mention of the opinion of an EX partner ,would ,you would like to think ,be viewed with an air of suspicion . After all an ex is usually an ex for a reason .
Anyone that would fall into that category isn't fit to be an FAC holder , am sure we all agree.
However this appears to be another ,desperate attempt to demonise FAC holders . The guidance to CC s regarding Firearms and Firearms Licensing states that certificate applications should be viewed from the perspective of the applicant not an objector.
We've all heard of certificate holders having their Firearms seized for a dispute with a neighbour or other very minor matter.The police have the powers they need already .
It would be interesting to see where this would go should a revocation appeal appear in court on the strength of this questionnaire.
As has been mentioned it will be interesting to see what BASC and the other organisations do in regard to challenging this new questionnaire. ?

 

[finnbear270]

If I was told I had to give an opinion on the person/s who compiled this list .......... Best guess would be the anti gun lobby with help from peta.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Best I sell all but one of my custom outdoor use knifes for fear of being seen as fascinated with “weapons”?

A truly outrageous questionnaire in its current format.

K

 

[Liveonce]

Which are they sporting shotgun/firearms or weapons?

Do you have any concerns of the person having a shotgun/firearm?

Do you know what your partner uses their weapon for?

Totally biased and leading questions, all getting very silly we need the shooting organisation to push back on this perhaps they need to employ WJ solicitors.

 

[Shootgun]

Mind blowing

 

[disco_ike]

Would your partner ever hurt an animal?

No they never use their firearm for taking of Deer or AOLQ……. What a ridiculous question!

 

[Liveonce]

No question about how long have you known your partner, one day, one week, one year, one lifetime, which surely has a relevance.

What good is a fighting fund if we don’t actually fight ?

Edit to add this question assumes your partner has an in-depth knowledge of all the licensing laws and could put you in serious trouble.

Has your partner obtained weapons from abroad or the UK that are not licensed?

 

[pjkaz]

Done for i watched Breaking Bad last night

 

[BobJones]

No question about how long have you known your partner, one day, one week, one year, one lifetime, which surely has a relevance.

What good is a fighting fund if we don’t actually fight ?

Edit to add this question assumes your partner has an in-depth knowledge of all the licensing laws and could put you in serious trouble.

Has your partner obtained weapons from abroad or the UK that are not licensed?

It seems the basc fighting fund is more about grouse and pheasant releases for the executive shooters at places like gleneagles than protecting the right to own firearms.

 

[Dickie]

Does your partner have a fascination, or has a keen interest in criminality/criminals?

We watched the Forensics the real CSI last night does that count.

 

[andyk]

@BobJones could I ask what your source if for this? Not that I’m doubting it but I’d like to write to BASC (and potentially some others) and would like to be able to quote from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Thanks

 

[Tazz]

Does your partner have a fascination, or has a keen interest in criminality/criminals?

We watched the Forensics the real CSI last night does that count.

That’s you Red Listed then!!! You need to start watching Gardeners World together

 

[BobJones]

@BobJones could I ask what your source if for this? Not that I’m doubting it but I’d like to write to BASC (and potentially some others) and would like to be able to quote from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Thanks

Bbc article followed by an email to gwent police who supplied the details. I cant post the document on here for some reason so the text will have to suffice. Basc already have the questions

 

[BobJones]

@BobJones could I ask what your source if for this? Not that I’m doubting it but I’d like to write to BASC (and potentially some others) and would like to be able to quote from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Thanks

Ooh here it is