Op Titanium

[Will the chippy]

We're all doomed!
Using the words weapon, not firearm? Any object can be a weapon if you so choose.
If someone lives alone, who would they ask then? The dog? a jilted ex partner? The neighbours who never knew you had guns?
The medical markers are a good idea, but the rest is getting silly.

 

[ashray]

bob jones .thank god for the ignore option ,one press and he has gone from my list.

 

[BobJones]

bob jones .thank god for the ignore option ,one press and he has gone from my list.

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[Conor O'Gorman]

@Conor O'Gorman - please provide an official BASC statement on the above, covering the truth of the questions proposed to be asked, BASC's position on the asking of such questions (including their relevance), how answers are intended to be used given they are an opinion - and how that might be monitored (quis custodiet ipsos custodes) - and what would happen if a partner were to refuse to answer some or all of the questions.

The police should not be putting out there own forms and we have been challenging this. The OP has it wrong to allege that BASC is going along with this when we are challenging it. There was a BASC update here: Project Titanium and there will be further updates to come. I will pass your questions onto colleagues on advice to people being currently subject to the questionnaire.

 

[artschool]

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i think he meant to say thank you for posting a interesting thread

 

[VSS]

Wtf has joint or separate bank accounts got to do with it???
Honestly, some of those questions are just beyond!

 

[25 Sharps]

These are the questions being used by the fuzz in at least 5 forces. Supplied by gwent police. I’ll leave you to determine what is nonsense or not. Basc are aligning themselves to this because they want a ten year certificate, but apparently discussions have taken place about the appropriateness of the questions so we hope for change. Frankly its all unnecessary. Feos have the ability to question and follow indicators but this is a step too far, unilateral and results in a refusal if you don’t supply details of on how to contact your current or ex partners. This should only be used if there is an indication to follow a path around domestic disharmony. Otherwise it is not proportionate. There is a huge bias towards men and no questions about female hormonal incidents and whether the partner of the applicant is actually the controlling factor blah blah you get my drift of you read it.


FIREARMS DA PARTNERS QUESTIONS

Would your partner ever get professional help if they had any mental health issues?

Has your partner ever mentioned suicide and if so, what has been mentioned?

Would your partner ever hurt an animal?

Would your partner ever hurt a child?

Does your partner have a fascination, or has a keen interest in criminality/criminals?

Does your partner have an interest with weapons, including non-licensed weapons such as cross bows, knives etc?

Has your partner obtained weapons from abroad or the UK that are not licensed?

Are you aware if your partner is on prescription medicine or non-prescription medications and if so what medication and what for?

Has your partner ever threatened to use, or has used a weapon on you?

Has your partner ever threatened to use, or has used a weapon on anyone else?

Is your partner anti- police?

Does your partner abide by rules and/or authority, or do they find it difficult?

Does your partner ever leave weapons out, in view or clean weapons in front of you to cause fear or control over you?

Have you got access to the weapons and/or keys?

Are you aware of any previous issues with any ex-partner?

In your relationship with your partner do you both make equal decisions, or does your partner tend to make the decisions?

Is there anything you feel you are not allowed, or cannot do because of your partner, as it may upset them?

Would your partner be more inclined to walk away from a fight/argument or start a fight/argument?

How much would it bother your partner if they lost their shotgun/firearms license?

Have they ever threatened professionals against you i.e social services taking the children?

If you needed to reach out to authorities/professionals, do you have a fear of not being believed by them and if so, why?

Do you know what your partner uses their weapon for?

Have you ever been fearful of your partner?

Do you have any concerns of the person having a shotgun/firearm?

Do you and your partner have a joint or separate bank account?

Do you have free access to money?

Are the weapons/hobbies prioritised over family/household expenditure?

Does your partner have a quick temper?

Does your partners mood affect the rest of the household?

Does your partner have a different persona outside the house in comparison to in the house?

Out of interest how has this been obtained?

The list posted is just a printed document that anybody could have written up.

 

[Davsim]

Out of interest how has this been obtained?

The list posted is just a printed document that anybody could have written up.

It has been in published articles in mainstream media news . Where they interviewed 2 ladies who had been victims of violent partners . Apparently they helped formulate the questionnaire . I think it's at the trial stage apparently with 5 forces.
I have seen it brought on before ,there was another member who supplied this on a previous thread I believe .

 

[25 Sharps]

It has been in published articles in mainstream media news . Where they interviewed 2 ladies who had been victims of violent partners . Apparently they helped formulate the questionnaire . I think it's at the trial stage apparently with 5 forces.
I have seen it brought on before ,there was another member who supplied this on a previous thread I believe .

So, what or who is the original source? Has it come from the police.

 

[Davsim]

So, what or who is the original source? Has it come from the police.

The OP s post states it was supplied by Gwent police . BASC Are aware and I believe are looking at challenging it .

 

[BobJones]

So, what or who is the original source? Has it come from the police.

Yes i got the document from the fld at gwent and have spoken to Inspector jodie davies

 

[25 Sharps]

Yes i got the document from the fld at gwent and have spoken to Inspector jodie davies

What was your reason for asking / their reason for sharing?

 

[BobJones]

What was your reason for asking / their reason for sharing?

Why do you think! Its another step too far and im naturally suspicious of the questions asked by risk averse police forces generated out of campaigning alleged victims which unsurprisingly when i saw the questions proved me right to be suspicious. Look we must always examine any new unilateral tick box excercise invented by plod. The bbc article quoted the needham shooting case as justification but in fact it was the lack of medical proformas and a lying applicant that led to an incident and not the lack of asking partners their opinions. So its not proportionate.

 

[25 Sharps]

Why do you think! Its another step too far and im naturally suspicious of the questions asked by risk averse police forces generated out of campaigning alleged victims which unsurprisingly when i saw the questions oroved me right to be suspicious. Look we must always examine any new unilateral tick box excercise invented by plod. The bbc article quoted a case as justification but in fact it was the lack of medical proformas and a lying applicant that led to an incident and not the lack of asking partners their opinions. So its not proportionate.

I am not sure I trust you or your posts to be honest. All seems a little old to burst on the scene as a self proclaimed ‘firearms law expert’ then post inflammatory threads and yet refer to the police as ‘the fuzz’.

Your posts are not written in a way that comes across as someone who works in law.

 

[BobJones]

I am not sure I trust you or your posts to be honest. All seems a little old to burst on the scene as a self proclaimed firearms law expert. Then post inflammatory threads and yet refer to the police as ‘the fuzz’.

Inflammatory!? You must be very close to the police then look take it or leave it. This forum is about information exchange. What are you doing here if you dismiss everything thats said. I don’t have to justify my cv to you but tune in to any future posts and you might start believing I know my stuff. My customers have every faith in the advice I give. It is always explained and referenced.

 

[BobJones]

I am not sure I trust you or your posts to be honest. All seems a little old to burst on the scene as a self proclaimed ‘firearms law expert’ then post inflammatory threads and yet refer to the police as ‘the fuzz’.

Your posts are not written in a way that comes across as someone who works in law.

Anyone here can always ask me a technical or legal question to test me!!

 

[Mickeydredd]

Inflammatory!? You must be very close to the police then look take it or leave it. This forum is about information exchange. What are you doing here if you dismiss everything thats said. I don’t have to justify my cv to you but tune in to any future posts and you might start believing I know my stuff. My customers have every faith in the advice I give. It is always explained and referenced.

I think what 25 Sharps is referring to is that you joined the forum on Sunday and you have slated BASC on two separate threads and posted this one up.

You don't have a monopoly on being naturally suspicious.

ps welcome to SD

 

[Gloucestershire.2021]

Wtf has joint or separate bank accounts got to do with it???
Honestly, some of those questions are just beyond!

This type of questioning relates to offences of control and coercion. Generally, victims of these offences will not have access to a separate bank account (control element).
The Police are trying to skin the cat in a different way.
I suspect the questions used will have a scoring matrix, some questions will be worth more points than others, and there will be a threshold score for refusal or revocation.

 

[Rob 71]

Unbelievable, you can’t make this stuff up!!

 

[Stalker62]