What counts as a range on certificate condition.

[Shrike]

Hello all,
Amongst the conditions on my “closed” FAC there is this one at the end.
The firearms and ammunition to which this certificate relates may also be used for target practice or zeroing at a range in respect of which a range safety certificate for that class of firearms is held.

So while this obviously means at official ranges I’ll be able to use my rifles provided they are rated for the caliber my question is,

What certificate is required? Is there a governing body that issues range certificates per caliber? What do I need to look for to make sure this requirement is fulfilled?

Whilst gun clubs would obviously comply I was more thinking about people who have made people made very professional ranges on private land. What cert would I need to make sure is held.

Thanks in advance. (I know I can ask police but it’s the weekend and I just thought of this now).

I will ask them on Monday anyway to be sure.

 

[kenbro]

I’m not 100% sure but, the NRA have people that go around inspecting ranges and issuing certificates of compliance and they are stringent with their assessments. Unbelievably so in my opinion.
So I would say, a certificate from the NRA.

 

[Shrike]

I’m not 100% sure but, the NRA have people that go around inspecting ranges and issuing certificates of compliance and they are stringent with their assessments. Unbelievably so in my opinion.
So I would say, a certificate from the NRA.

That sounds logical, thank you.

 

[kenbro]

That sounds logical, thank you.

Please dont take it as Gospel as I’ve been known to be wrong.

We recently had the “Guys” at our club and it’s quite expensive.
But, a club doesn’t need to be in the NRA!
So therefore doesn’t need the certificate, but if anything went wrong there would be no insurance to cover accidents. Someone would have to pay!
I think.
Cheers, Ken.

 

[Liveonce]

it may be referring to a range safety certificate or such issued by the NRA or NSRA the army, MOD used to issue them but that all changed in 2006. A range can be any bit of land so long as you have insurance, no safety certificate is required.

Firearms

Home Office circular 031 / 2006 Firearms Broad subject: Crime and Disorder Issue date: Mon Oct 23 00:00:00 BST 2006 From: Crime Reduction…

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looks a strange condition do you belong to a club?



otherwise it’s normally the zeroing and practice condition, but no competition target shooting.

but again each force goes their own way.

 

[Sinistral]

What certificate is required? Is there a governing body that issues range certificates per caliber? What do I need to look for to make sure this requirement is fulfilled?

Whilst gun clubs would obviously comply I was more thinking about people who have made people made very professional ranges on private land. What cert would I need to make sure is held

Thanks in advance. (I know I can ask police but it’s the weekend and I just thought of this now).
I will ask them on Monday anyway to be sure.

All the answers are in a Home Office Circular from 2006 which I've had bookmarked for yonks.
There's a lot to the certification of 'approved ranges', so I doubt whether Licensing will know all of it apart from the basics. . .

Firearms

Home Office circular 031 / 2006 Firearms Broad subject: Crime and Disorder Issue date: Mon Oct 23 00:00:00 BST 2006 From: Crime Reduction…

www.gov.uk

 

[Liveonce]

All the answers are in a Home Office Circular from 2006 which I've had bookmarked for yonks.
There's a lot to the certification of 'approved ranges', so I doubt whether Licensing will know all of it apart from the basics. . .

Firearms

Home Office circular 031 / 2006 Firearms Broad subject: Crime and Disorder Issue date: Mon Oct 23 00:00:00 BST 2006 From: Crime Reduction…

www.gov.uk

not sure I follow your statement
There's a lot to the certification of 'approved ranges’

I believe the NRA and NSRA jumped on the bandwagon and tried to state unless they approved them then no insurance via them.

New arrangements​

1. The responsibility will now be placed more firmly on range owners/operators to ensure that their range is constructed and maintained safely.

There are Home Office approved clubs, but not civilian ranges.

 

[tim@tcs]

The wording on the FAC is outdated. It should refer to a range where adequate insurance exists!
The MoD used to do it and don’t anymore. The NRA have no particular authority to issue a certificate of conformity as there is no standard outside of the MoD!

 

[Sinistral]

There are Home Office approved clubs, but not civilian ranges.

I agree that there are no HO approved ranges hence the quotes. Independent civilian consultants now certify ranges according to the old MOD template which is obviously accredited, and accepted by the NRA/NSRA. Most HOACs who have their own private range use the NRA or NSRA Insurance for cover, as it's a bespoke package which meets all their needs. I don't know of any other insurance operators TBH.

 

[sy247]

The wording on the FAC is outdated. It should refer to a range where adequate insurance exists!
The MoD used to do it and don’t anymore. The NRA have no particular authority to issue a certificate of conformity as there is no standard outside of the MoD!

This

 

[kenbro]

it may be referring to a range safety certificate or such issued by the NRA or NSRA the army, MOD used to issue them but that all changed in 2006. A range can be any bit of land so long as you have insurance, no safety certificate is required.

Firearms

Home Office circular 031 / 2006 Firearms Broad subject: Crime and Disorder Issue date: Mon Oct 23 00:00:00 BST 2006 From: Crime Reduction…

www.gov.uk

looks a strange condition do you belong to a club?

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otherwise it’s normally the zeroing and practice condition, but no competition target shooting.

but again each force goes their own way.

No, no cert. required, but try getting insured without one.
Kb.

 

[tim@tcs]

No, no cert. required, but try getting insured without one.
Kb.

Other organisations offer insurance not just the so called national ones!

 

[kenbro]

Other organisations offer insurance not just the so called national ones!

Our club needs to look a little closer to this.
Each year the “Inspectors” find something new that needs addressing!

Do you know anyone that will insure a club that’s not affiliated to the NRA?

Ken.

 

[tim@tcs]

Our club needs to look a little closer to this.
Each year the “Inspectors” find something new that needs addressing!

Do you know anyone that will insure a club that’s not affiliated to the NRA?

Ken.

There is a range near Swindon that I visited over ten years ago that had their own arrangements in place

 

[Liveonce]

Our club needs to look a little closer to this.
Each year the “Inspectors” find something new that needs addressing!

Do you know anyone that will insure a club that’s not affiliated to the NRA?

Ken.

There are several ranges around the country which are not NRA or NSRA certified speak with Garlands shooting ground they have a range.

Marsh sports offer such insurance.

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[EssBee]

You can always ask your licensed police force where the appropriately certificated ranges are. They will have these on record.

 

[kenbro]

There is a range near Swindon that I visited over ten years ago that had their own arrangements in place

Our club hasn’t always been NRA Aff; but if there’s an accident someone at the club will be held responsible.
Ken.

 

[Heym SR20]

Long gone are the days of “certified ranges” as in somebody would come out from the MoD abd sign it off as suitable for such and such type shooting.

Instead the NRA, MLRA and SBRA provide a series of best practice in terms of design and operation of ranges, there are individuals who can advise on what needs doing in terms of of infrastructure etc, but its ultimately down to whoever operates the range to dictate what can be used and range practices etc. Ultimately for a club, its the club chair who is in effect the designated inmate. A chair has the responsibility to ensure that there is a safe environment etc.

The Home Office, and Scottish Government do approve Rifle Clubs. The focus is very much on the operation of the club, its membership etc and whether you have the people and procedures in place to ensure a safe environment.

So coming back to the OPs original question as to “use on approved ranges” plenty of clubs have small gallery ranges that are suitable for rimfire and pistol calibre carbines, but not suitable for a full bore deer stalking type calibre.

 

[Liveonce]

The Home Office, and Scottish Government do approve Rifle Clubs. The focus is very much on the operation of the club, its membership etc and whether you have the people and procedures in place to ensure a safe environment.

And importantly membership of an HO approved club meets the conditions to acquire firearms for the purpose of target shooting.

 

[Heym SR20]

And importantly membership of an HO approved club meets the conditions to acquire firearms for the purpose of target shooting.

Agreed, but only appropriate fir the particular club, the ranges it uses and experience of its range officers.