Copper - Accuracy

[Utectok]

I’ve never managed to get yew tree bullets to produce groups LARGER than 1”

 

[r judd]

loaded copper across a few calibers. Different brands. Barnes and yew tree.
NEVER not got them shooting
22.250
.243
7x64
30.06
300 rum

 

[Rutland lad]

The usual rubbish about monometal. Nobody ever had a bad shot or a deer run with lead did they ? They all used to drop on the very spot with lead apparently…….
No they bloody well didn’t.

 

[r judd]

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‘I've yet to speak to anyone that is satisfied, never mind impressed, by the accuracy of copper heads.’

Cant have spoken to alot of people then is all i will say.
Used copper for last 13 years never found an issue with accuracy or performance.

 

[Brave Echo Niner]

Yes copper doesn’t shoot…

This was some yew tree TLRs out of my .300WSM, 5 shots.



The same principles apply with shooting any bullet, use one that is stable and work the load up well.

They will shoot exceedingly accurately repeatedly.

 

[Ronin]

Yes copper doesn’t shoot…

This was some yew tree TLRs out of my .300WSM, 5 shots.

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The same principles apply with shooting any bullet, use one that is stable and work the load up well.

They will shoot exceedingly accurately repeatedly.

Adequate accuracy there Ben




Shot lathe turned solids (monometal, solid copper call then what you will) for longer than I care to remember

Started with Barnes (which were or are roll formed) didn’t get on with them, moved to GS Custom they were imported by a shop in Scotland back then and also Litz Moellers wares - and I bought “quite a few” GSC direct from SA and also latterly from Netherlands - sadly no longer available

Now use Hasler though I will be trying Yew tree too shortly

I can honestly say that with the exception of Barnes and their early products I have never ever had any issue with accuracy or terminal ballistics

I can probably say that I’ve used LTS for nearly 20 years and killed “quite a few” deer

Woth the GS Customs in 6.5, 7 and .30 flavour, all were producing single ragged hole groups

The Hasler sub .5 Moa

They have been and are effective from “quite close to quite far” and shot placement has rarely been an issue

Load development is key

Usually attain. MV recommended by manufacture then work on seat depth as a secondary process - most LTS will produce good accuracy from .050” to in my own experience up to and beyond .150” away from the lands

If a rifle doesn’t shoot with them, it’s usually because it need cleaning thoroughly or there is putting in the barrel

LTS like a clean barrel

Oh and I don’t sell them either so can’t be accused of bias

 

[Eddie P]

I'm super happy with VLR4s in my 308, but struggling to get copper shooting in my new howa 270, I've got through a box of VLR4s and sako blades factory were poor too.
It's starting to become frustrating.

 

[Rutland lad]

The usual rubbish about monometal. Nobody ever had a bad shot or a deer run with lead did they ? They all used to drop on the very spot with lead apparently…….
No they bloody well didn’t.

Further to the above. Whilst walking my dog I was reflecting on my lead bullet experience. My first rifle was a Remington 700 in .243 which came with some Winchester 100 grain bullets. The very best it could do was one or one and a half inch groups.
I shot deer with it.
A stalking friend of mine saw these groups and suggested they weren’t very good and I agreed. He then suggested Geko 105 grain bullets. What a revelation. Now it would shoot sub MOA every time.
My point being if I hadn’t been introduced to the right bullet for that rifle I’d still think the rifle wasn’t that accurate.
We are all learning with monometal bullets. Perhaps our range of experience with them is not that great, so we blame ALL monometal bullets. That’s simply not right. There’s some good, some bad, some which suit your rifle and some which don’t.

 

[Roonster]

Yes copper doesn’t shoot…

This was some yew tree TLRs out of my .300WSM, 5 shots.

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The same principles apply with shooting any bullet, use one that is stable and work the load up well.

They will shoot exceedingly accurately repeatedly.

NICE! This is exactly what I'd like to achieve.

 

[Twodogs]

Copper bullet accuracy. Accuracy or precision?

 

[webley701]

NICE! This is exactly what I'd like to achieve.

Achieve as a ‘once in whatever’ event or achieve as ‘average’ performance?

If it’s the former then shoot enough groups with any rifle & you’ll be successful due to ‘chance’ - the better the average performance of the rifle is the the better the chance of realising your dream.

If it’s the latter - then you really can’t be serious.

 

[Miki]

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‘I've yet to speak to anyone that is satisfied, never mind impressed, by the accuracy of copper heads.’

Cant have spoken to alot of people then is all i will say.
Used copper for last 13 years never found an issue with accuracy or performance.

I am firmly in the opinion that anyone who calls Bullets "Heads" or (worse) "Bullet Heads" doesn't really have a grip on what they are doing.
If they can't identify components by the right name how can they present a technical position of any strength ?

A classic example of a complete lack of comprehension.

 

[stubear]

My experience of copper is that it is undoubtedly “The Emperor’s new clothes”
I’m sure it works for some and they are happy but for me I’m afraid I’ve witnessed to many let’s say mishaps, for me to place the same confidence that I have in lead.
Said it before and I’ll bang on like a stuck record. Ain’t broke don’t try and fix it.

100% mate

 

[davegixxer]

 

[davegixxer]

.308 tikka T3 shotting Sako powerblade 162 @100m

 

[Selous]

My experience of copper is that it is undoubtedly “The Emperor’s new clothes”
I’m sure it works for some and they are happy but for me I’m afraid I’ve witnessed to many let’s say mishaps, for me to place the same confidence that I have in lead.
Said it before and I’ll bang on like a stuck record. Ain’t broke don’t try and fix it.

How are the Flat Earth Society meetings going these days?
I’m 20 plus years in with copper bullets and would consider it a retrograde step to go back to lead. The majority of mishaps that occur can be traced back to poor shot placement or inappropriate choice of bullet. The same happens with lead bullets believe it or not! Can I ask how many deer you have yourself shot with copper or non lead ammunition?

 

[timbrayford]

I've yet to speak to anyone that is satisfied, never mind impressed, by the accuracy of copper heads.

Even the most accomplished hand loaders/competitive shooters have been struggling to achieve 1MOA consistently with hand-loaded copper.

Seems like the only people who are keen on you shooting copper are those that have a financial interest in you shooting copper?

I do have one very accomplished stalker/hand-loader friend who says he has had reasonable success with cup & core bullet heads which have a traditional guilding metal jacket and a zinc alloy core instead of a lead core. But I do wonder if you'll get lead-like fragmentation from the zinc alloy core, whereas obviously one of the main selling points of monolithic copper is that is stays in one piece...

Are we any closer to copper ammunition that is as accurate as the lead ammunition it is meant to replace?

R.

Near clover leaf with Barnes TTSX

 

[Utectok]

I’ve found the dyed in the wool stalkers up north are all pleasantly surprised when I shoot with them and mention I shoot copper. An awful lot of people bad mouth copper with almost zero experience of it. Fact is it’s the right bullet in the right place just like lead.

 

[Roonster]

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Nice groups. Which heads were those?

 

[davegixxer]

Nice groups. Which heads were those?

Barnes ttsx factory loads