Firearms fees and licensing - two ways to help

I was grateful to Lewis Thornley and Matt Dutton from BASC - The British Association for Shooting and Conservation, for telling me about the work they do in education and conservation and for the bird box they gave me to help give birds a safe place to nest. I have never fired a gun before. They make me nervous which is why it’s so important that people have licenses, know how to do it properly, and use them in accordance with the law. I was grateful to have been shown by someone properly trained how to shoot a clay disc flying through the air at Lowes Lane Shooting Ground. But as well as being used for sport (I do not see hunting animals for fun a ‘sport’) as demonstrated here by me in my first clay pigeon shooting lesson, they play an important role in conservation. As was explained to me the grey squirrel eats song birds and can destroy trees when their sap is at its sweetest. And as we’re in the The National Forest and have majority of trees at 10-15 years old, controlling the number of grey squirrels is really important. They already wiped out red squirrels across most of the country. The muntjac breeds all year round and can impact the regeneration of woodland impacting the survival of other breeds of animals and the delicate eco-system. They have no natural predators in this country and so their numbers have to be controlled. I appreciate this may feel upsetting a thought to many but if you enjoy a walk in our gorgeous forests there are people trained to help maintain the balance. BASC also plays a key part in educating police to help them with to combat rural crime.

She should share to all her mates.
 
I was grateful to Lewis Thornley and Matt Dutton from BASC - The British Association for Shooting and Conservation, for telling me about the work they do in education and conservation and for the bird box they gave me to help give birds a safe place to nest. I have never fired a gun before. They make me nervous which is why it’s so important that people have licenses, know how to do it properly, and use them in accordance with the law. I was grateful to have been shown by someone properly trained how to shoot a clay disc flying through the air at Lowes Lane Shooting Ground. But as well as being used for sport (I do not see hunting animals for fun a ‘sport’) as demonstrated here by me in my first clay pigeon shooting lesson, they play an important role in conservation. As was explained to me the grey squirrel eats song birds and can destroy trees when their sap is at its sweetest. And as we’re in the The National Forest and have majority of trees at 10-15 years old, controlling the number of grey squirrels is really important. They already wiped out red squirrels across most of the country. The muntjac breeds all year round and can impact the regeneration of woodland impacting the survival of other breeds of animals and the delicate eco-system. They have no natural predators in this country and so their numbers have to be controlled. I appreciate this may feel upsetting a thought to many but if you enjoy a walk in our gorgeous forests there are people trained to help maintain the balance. BASC also plays a key part in educating police to help them with to combat rural crime.

She should share to all her mates.
The MP shared it with her 3K followers on Facebook.
 
The thing that really worries me, the fee goes up with the cover the real cost as the reason and its not gone up for many years. The previously shown BASC chart showed that the differences between forces for this administration is quite large, them that make it work do so and others just flounder. What is there so stop the police going back in 3 years and saying we were wrong it wasn't anywhere near enough and needs to be £500.......+++
 
I've contacted my mp who imho is anti rural not just anti shooting, asked that as the price is going up 130% will the service improve by the same percentage, also hit him with the grouse shooting, looking forward to another non committal reply
 
FWIW for those who dont see the point in speaking/email their MP, i understand the cynicism, however, if you speak to them, you may get them onside, or at least less anti than they may have been.

If we all did that then instead of having 650 opponents to shooting and hunting we may have fewer, and the fewer the better imho.

A better informed MP is likely to be less inclined to vote against our interests than an uniformed, or perhaps mor importantly one who has been been informed incorrectly.

Either way the choice is of course an individual one, but i will be dropping my local one a line.

JMHO

Glenn
 
I always figure it’s worth writing as it reminds MPs that shooters are actual people in their constituency, rather than a vague amorphous group that’s ’over there somewhere’.

You see it really clearly when there’s car related legislation going through and MPs and the media start talking about ‘motorists’ as though they’re a distinct and homogenous group of people, rather than 95% odd of adults.
 
The thing that really worries me, the fee goes up with the cover the real cost as the reason and its not gone up for many years. The previously shown BASC chart showed that the differences between forces for this administration is quite large, them that make it work do so and others just flounder. What is there so stop the police going back in 3 years and saying we were wrong it wasn't anywhere near enough and needs to be £500.......+++
We are still challenging the existing proposals but if they go through on 5 February you are right the same arguments could be made in 3 years time based on pooled data from all the most inefficient forces. That is why we must hold forces to account on their efficiency and BASC is pushing on several fronts on this. No more excuses. No hiding places.

PCCs need to be giving assurances that funds raised from increased firearms licensing fees will be used to resource their firearms licensing departments. Forces need to be publishing Strategic Demand Assessments (SDA) to ensure that their firearms licensing function is adequately resourced. Also the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) firearms lead DCC David Gardner is soon expected to publish a “league table” of the firearms licensing departments’ performance in England and Wales. With all these things happening it will make it much harder for any justification for further hikes beyond inflation for the next fees review.
 
I always figure it’s worth writing as it reminds MPs that shooters are actual people in their constituency, rather than a vague amorphous group that’s ’over there somewhere’.

You see it really clearly when there’s car related legislation going through and MPs and the media start talking about ‘motorists’ as though they’re a distinct and homogenous group of people, rather than 95% odd of adults.
Good point. More directly, back in the day, I recall a BASC Wales green badge that said "I hunt, shoot and vote".
 
Thanks. In the govt impact assessment they are considering putting the fees up again in 3 years time. Here is the text from the BASC briefing page for contacting MPs:
This is concerning and all those who are currently saying "oh it's not that bad, I can afford it" should be more worried.

Once full cost recovery becomes accepted as a means of working out the cost of an FAC or SGC it's no stretch to see that when NFLMS needs replacing or upgrading at a cost of many millions, that cost will be passed onto us.

It's not the cost of the increase that is the issue but the premise it is being introduced under.
 
I saw this post and was concerned as you said you contact only england and wales. Did BASC contact Scotland separately Conner?
 
I saw this post and was concerned as you said you contact only england and wales. Did BASC contact Scotland separately Conner?
Yes, the mention of England and Wales is in relation to contacting PCCs. No PCC in Scotland and Police Scotland are doing a good job on firearms licensing by all accounts.

As a case in point here is a comment from BASC's Martin Parker in an article in the latest issue of Shooting Times:

The inconsistencies in approach between forces remain stark. Martin Parker, BASC’s head of firearms, highlighted this to me as follows: “Days after the fees increase, Police Scotland were already writing to certificate holders who had received reminders that their certificate would expire in 16 weeks. The letter was to reassure people that so long as they submitted their application prior to 5 February, they would pay the current fee rather than the new fee.

“Contrast this with Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire Police, who were sending out reminders to certificate holders eight weeks prior to expiry, stating that it was unlikely that their certificate would be renewed before expiry, and that holders would be liable to five-year imprisonment and a £5,000 fine if they were in unlawful possession.

“Sadly, it’s a long way for officers from Police Scotland to travel to the south-east of England to provide customer service training.”


 
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