20 inch vs 24 inch tikka 6.5 creedmoor

the other is the new 24" Ace Game model
How long are you prepared to wait? What kind of availability dates you have for Ace? Here in Finland RFDs are quoting end of June.

Wouldn't be the first time that Finland gets Sako stuff only after everybody else has...

One additional point is, aluminium chassis is not the best choice if you stalk / shoot in cold conditions. Will freeze your fingers (even through gloves) and so on.
 
I’d split it down the middle and go for 22” personally. 2” doesn’t do anything for handiness, but helps that bit extra when chest shooting large deer in the wind at 250-300 yds and places where even a 100yd dead run is a bother (ex. Near neighbours, on woodland edge, near a river the deer can cross but you will struggle, near a fence in can slip under a watergate, on a ground where your travel home that night and can’t come back next morning or access deer dog).

The obvious answer is don’t shoot, but sometimes/often deer only present themselves in these circumstances, and a touch more terminal velocity wise will be appreciated by the shooter.

I run a 6.5 SE and was reduced over time to 20”. With 140g it’s far better than with 156g, but even 140g (quality hunting bullets as fyi) and chest shots I expect small deer to travel 15-40yds, and large deer 30-80yds, but have seen Adrenalin fuelled red stags cover over 200yds.

I love my 6.5 for the rifle, but i think it’s (6.5’s) one of the worst for putting deer on the floor quickly, irrespective of which bullet is used. - but the 6.5 is famous for this and everyone knows it, but most 6.5 owners refuse to accept it because they get their ego damaged. I reckon I’m well over the 500 deer mark with my 6.5, so have seen a thing or two with it so far, and whether Swede or 260 or Creed, the extra length barrel is a benefit for this calibre IMHO, unless you just hunt fox, chinks, munties and the odd roe.
Whilst I’ve not shot quite as many as you with a I’d say a little over 250 red and roe with a 6.5 swede and yew tree bullets I’ve never felt it was ineffective at dispatching them. If it was I’d change calibre. It seems pretty much as lethal as anything I’ve shot. Bullet choice have more effect on terminal performance than anything else in my view.
 
How long are you prepared to wait? What kind of availability dates you have for Ace? Here in Finland RFDs are quoting end of June.

Wouldn't be the first time that Finland gets Sako stuff only after everybody else has...

One additional point is, aluminium chassis is not the best choice if you stalk / shoot in cold conditions. Will freeze your fingers (even through gloves) and so on.
Not sure how long as I've not asked. All I know is they're pre order at the moment.
 
What cartridge for deer size game you prefer to drop them quickly?

I’ve not had any problems with the 6.5 CM, but I also shoot weekly throughout the year so I usually put the bullet in the boiler room so to speak.
A Swedish study showed to get a shorter running distance for moose from 6,5, 308w 40-50m you need to go up to 9,3*62, 300wm, 338wm, 375 HH to get down to about 30m running after a chest hit. If the moose or deer are dead within 200m its still in a normal range.
 
You also need to factor in height and length of any moderator you will be using.

I am 6ft. Personally I don’t like short rifles. To me they just don’t balance properly. @Mungo is a bit shorter than me so a long barrelled rifle is more of a pain.

Whilst the 6.5cm is an efficient rifle, the extra four inches will add quite substantially to the muzzle velocity - 100 to 200 fps, but will depend on powder, load etc.
 
What cartridge for deer size game you prefer to drop them quickly?

I’ve not had any problems with the 6.5 CM, but I also shoot weekly throughout the year so I usually put the bullet in the boiler room so to speak.
Agree.
I can’t reconcile 4 inches difference in barrel length to how far a deer runs after a shot.
I’d rather blame placement.
Kb.
 
Looks like this thread is coming too a close so I’ll diversify a little.
Opinions wanted regarding possible loss of accuracy when shortening a barrel from say 24 to 20 inches.
Are there any reasons why accuracy should suffer just by shortening.
My 24” shoots very well but it’s just too heavy for me when walking, especially as I seldom use a sling.
Thanks, Ken.
 
So whilst I’ve no doubt that 20 and 24” barrels will shoot equally well at least theoretically shorter barrels have greater dispersion than a longer one all else being equal. For practical purposes it can be ignored until you get down to very short/illegal lengths
 
Looks like this thread is coming too a close so I’ll diversify a little.
Opinions wanted regarding possible loss of accuracy when shortening a barrel from say 24 to 20 inches.
Are there any reasons why accuracy should suffer just by shortening.
My 24” shoots very well but it’s just too heavy for me when walking, especially as I seldom use a sling.
Thanks, Ken.
I've always believed that length of barrel doesn't affect accuracy, just power.
 
So whilst I’ve no doubt that 20 and 24” barrels will shoot equally well at least theoretically shorter barrels have greater dispersion than a longer one all else being equal. For practical purposes it can be ignored until you get down to very short/illegal lengths
Hi,
Is that due to the shorter barrel being harder to control or are you saying a shorter barrel is inherently less accurate than a longer one?
Cheers, Ken.
 
Agree.
I can’t reconcile 4 inches difference in barrel length to how far a deer runs after a shot.
I’d rather blame placement.
Kb.
200 fps difference of impact velocity can make a big difference to expansion and thus width of temporary wound channel. This is the difference between smacking the CNS hard with the shock wave whilst also severing major arteries, or just severing major arteries. In the former animal collapses on the spot unconscious and bleeds out and dies without regaining consciousness. In the latter the animal will run for a few seconds, still fully conscious, whilst it bleeds out and then collapses.

With lower impact velocity shot placement is more critical, and with lower overall velocity the greater drop from lower launch velocity makes knowledge of trajectories and range that much more important.

It’s why in the days before rangefinders and Creedmoors we all liked the high velocity of the 243 and 270 with long barrels, and looked down on the rainbow like trajectories of the 303, 6.5x54 MS and 308, indeed so much so that we ended up with min velocity requirements of 2450fps as stalkers got fed up of guests turning up with old rifles and not being able to hit the deer and kill cleanly.
 
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