Farmers Weekly - How farmers can tackle the booming deer population

only 15,000 moles needed at that rate for the car then :)

My neighbour pays me £5 per mole...but I don't do it for the money but I cause offense if I don't take the payment.
I've just finished my mole job this afternoon, 5 visits, 6 miles from house, £120 for the job - £15 diesel - £30 tax - £20 for the 2 traps that were stolen, so £55 for about 4 hours work, I fear the Bentley will have to wait😄
 
Deer like maize! They are cheeky with it tho, as they snap off the cobs and carry them away before peeling the husk off like a banana skin and nibbling all of the kernels off the cob.
Find loads of empty cobs littered across grass fields a few hundred metres from the maize.
Sorry mate...I forgot the smiley face at the end :) 50 fallow in a field of maize do a lot of damage...and yet the farmer wants to be paid for them to be shot....His ground and his wishes ..but the financial losses he suffers are far more then he would get for the stalking rights.
 
I've just finished my mole job this afternoon, 5 visits, 6 miles from house, £120 for the job - £15 diesel - £30 tax - £20 for the 2 traps that were stolen, so £55 for about 4 hours work, I fear the Bentley will have to wait😄
Lol (apart from the sods who nicked your traps). Not sure a Bentley is much good for off road use so maybe steer clear :)
 
Sorry mate...I forgot the smiley face at the end :) 50 fallow in a field of maize do a lot of damage...and yet the farmer wants to be paid for them to be shot....His ground and his wishes ..but the financial losses he suffers are far more then he would get for the stalking rights.
Indeed. It’s nuts!
My farmers don’t pay me for managing the deer on their land, but equally I get to shoot all year round on 1500 ac including summer time ‘range blasts’ and don’t pay a penny for it.
But, I shout small deer species so processing 30-40 a year is fine. If they were fallow then I would really struggle shifting the carcasses and that’s when farmers should realise that it’s no longer a hobby, but a serious job.

Problem is that whilst there are recreational stalkers (and paying pro guides) who are happy to pay then you end up with this situation.

Would be interesting if you totted up the crop damage and presented it as £ loss - then he might get it!!
 
Indeed. It’s nuts!
My farmers don’t pay me for managing the deer on their land, but equally I get to shoot all year round on 1500 ac including summer time ‘range blasts’ and don’t pay a penny for it.
But, I shout small deer species so processing 30-40 a year is fine. If they were fallow then I would really struggle shifting the carcasses and that’s when farmers should realise that it’s no longer a hobby, but a serious job.

Problem is that whilst there are recreational stalkers (and paying pro guides) who are happy to pay then you end up with this situation.

Would be interesting if you totted up the crop damage and presented it as £ loss - then he might get it!!
If you are keeping the carcasses then you are being paid in kind for managing the deer.
 
Indeed. It’s nuts!
My farmers don’t pay me for managing the deer on their land, but equally I get to shoot all year round on 1500 ac including summer time ‘range blasts’ and don’t pay a penny for it.
But, I shout small deer species so processing 30-40 a year is fine. If they were fallow then I would really struggle shifting the carcasses and that’s when farmers should realise that it’s no longer a hobby, but a serious job.

Problem is that whilst there are recreational stalkers (and paying pro guides) who are happy to pay then you end up with this situation.

Would be interesting if you totted up the crop damage and presented it as £ loss - then he might get it!!
The issue this guy has is that he already has someone who pays...but only wants to shoot 1 or 2 nice big bucks a year...so the numbers arent controlled. My mate shoots next door so is doing his bit to keep the numbers down...though when you see 50 in one small field its not an easy task...especially considering there is a forest park next door as well so loads of walkers, dogs. cyclist and horse riders.
 
I can imagine the response I'd get from a few farms I shoot the foxes on if I gave them an invoice for my time and expense, second word would be "off"
Do they pay other people that provide a service? Fencing contactor? Silage contractor? Vet? Or do they expect to get all that for free as well?
Any farmer who has a genuine fox problem is happy to pay to have them shot. About £60 per fox seems to be "mates rates", but professional pest controllers charge more.

In most cases though the foxes aren't really much of a problem at all, and the farmer is just humouring you by giving you somewhere to shoot.
 
Do they pay other people that provide a service? Fencing contactor? Silage contractor? Vet? Or do they expect to get all that for free as well?
Any farmer who has a genuine fox problem is happy to pay to have them shot. About £60 per fox seems to be "mates rates", but professional pest controllers charge more.

In most cases though the foxes aren't really much of a problem at all, and the farmer is just humouring you by giving you somewhere to shoot.
Back to the point about the bulk of us doing it as we enjoy it and therefore doing it for free rather then doing it as a living. If everyone stopped doing it for free then maybe things would change but in reality that will never change.

I agree to a point about foxes not being a problem in a lot of cases but I have shot plenty of foxes that are a major issue on free range chicken farms along with lamb killers, duck and goose killers etc.
 
The issue this guy has is that he already has someone who pays...but only wants to shoot 1 or 2 nice big bucks a year...so the numbers arent controlled. My mate shoots next door so is doing his bit to keep the numbers down...though when you see 50 in one small field its not an easy task...especially considering there is a forest park next door as well so loads of walkers, dogs. cyclist and horse riders.
I had exactly the same issue on one of my perms, until the farmer had an issue and asked me to ‘do what I need to do to manage the deer’. That arrangement still holds today and works very well for both of us.
 
I had exactly the same issue on one of my perms, until the farmer had an issue and asked me to ‘do what I need to do to manage the deer’. That arrangement still holds today and works very well for both of us.
👍 that's how it should be. As I said earlier its difficult to achieve a balance and when money comes into it...that can lead to a host of issues as well.

I suggested to one of the farmers (that I get on very well with) that if he couldnt wait until the weekend for me to scare his crows off (and shoot a few as well) then he could pay me pro rata for a day a week....I cant post the response but it wasnt polite :lol:
 
Any farmer who has a genuine fox problem is happy to pay to have them shot.
Got to disagree there, we shoot for a lot of farmers and it's all free. They wouldn't dream of paying , christ can't even get a box of cartridges out of them.

No farmer will pay up here to have foxes , rabbits or deer shot ...why would they when there are loads queuing up to do it free?
 
Got to disagree there, we shoot for a lot of farmers and it's all free. They wouldn't dream of paying , christ can't even get a box of cartridges out of them.

No farmer will pay up here to have foxes , rabbits or deer shot ...why would they when there are loads queuing up to do it free?
I think it boils down to whether you are shooting foxes at the request of the farmer, or whether you are shooting foxes for your own recreation on the farmer’s land where you have requested permission to go.
Two very different things.
 
Do they pay other people that provide a service? Fencing contactor? Silage contractor? Vet? Or do they expect to get all that for free as well?
Any farmer who has a genuine fox problem is happy to pay to have them shot. About £60 per fox seems to be "mates rates", but professional pest controllers charge more.
Well I only wish I could charge the same call out fee as a vet.
Same when I used to go with my father and the hounds on fox drives years ago, very rarely was the terrier man given any payment or the hunt master from the farmer.
I'd be inclined to say a vet, fencing contractor or sileage contactor aren't weekly occurrences? but I understand your point.
Foxing on the other hand, for me anyways, doesn't stop or start during the lambing season, it's a 12 month affair and I'll be on the bigger lambing farms twice a week on average, probably more when the birds arrive during the shooting season. When people do phone to ask if I can take care of a fox outside my usual haunts there's usually a bottle of something waiting for me.
In most cases though the foxes aren't really much of a problem at all, and the farmer is just humouring you by giving you somewhere to shoot.
I'd probably say otherwise and say I'm humouring the farmer by curtailing to his request and being there and having a presence, because if I don't go someone else will.
On average i would say around 1000 foxes are shot on Anglesey. I know of individuals shooting well over 100,for a small Island that's quite a lot, but another topic for another day.

Ultimately, I'm not sure how many people on here would be receiving a salary from a farmer to cull the deer. I imagine a gentlemanly agreement for the lucky few would be a hand shake, a nice bottle at Christmas or the odd butchered carcass.
I honestly can't see farmers paying someone to shoot the deer, and to be fair why would they. With a current membership on the Stalking Directory of just over 33k potential stalkers ready and waiting there is no shortage of people to do the job, whether that's an individual or a group.
Maybe a better system would be like the ones in Europe, where by the crop damage from the deer would be charged to the stalker, and vise versa if a job is done well the stalker reimbursed.
I currently work to this system on one of my permissions.
 
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Some people that do it for free can't put the time in needed to get the job done. (I'm not blaming them they have to go to work to pay the bills)and don't own the equipment/facilities or have the contacts to move the carcasses on. So the deer numbers go up. Eventually the penny drops with the landowner that the few thousand k for the stalking rights doesn't out weigh the crop looses or looses grant money. (The landowner usually goes through a few stallers that promise to get the job done and pay)They then contact someone that gets paid to do it but then it's a business with contracts and obligations to achieve the goals agreed.
Obviously this situation can take a long time but it happens more times than you would believe and is getting more common as time goes on. It's the reason why I think there's a growing future for stalkers wanting to do it as a job. You won't make a fortune and will work hard for your money but it's a option for people wanting to do it for a living.
The only advice I would give to someone that wants to do it would be make sure you achieve your goals for each contract before getting the next job because bad news gets round quicker than good.
 
The fact is why would a farmer pay someone to do something when others are offering to do it for free or pay to do it?

We allow free pigeon shooting. I know someone who charges and has no shortage of customers.

I own a share in a small block of woodland. I have previously stalked it myself and shared the venison with the other owners. We have now decided to let it, as we were offered so much for the stalking rights that I couldn’t justify turning the payment down to indulge my own hobby. A pity but someone else can afford it and to be fair has more time than I do.

Same reason why so many farm shoots are left. A generation ago, the farmer ran it for his mates, now most in my area are let to syndicates, so the farmer gets some rent in plus doesn’t have the running costs any more. It is a luxury very few can afford now.
 
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