Advice on gun licence being revoked please.

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fishingcinma

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Good Afternoon all

Thank you for allowing me to join the forum.

I wonder if anyone could advise me as to if I stand a chance of appealing having my licence revoked.

I will be open and transparent as to the reason.

Friday 21st of February 2025 I grabbed a male that had been harassing my 18 year old Daughter and told him to never contact her again, she is a self harmer and I was concerned that she would take it further than self harm and try to take her own life. Now I know that there was no excuses for grabbing him.

Monday 24th February 2025 Police visited me at home to question the events from Friday night I explained the situation admitted grabbing the male, the policeman wanted to deal with the issue with a cro (community resolution order) said that I would have to do a victim awareness course online and the incident should now be put to bed.

Meanwhile the male that works with my Daughtet is going around saying that I have punched and beaten him up, this is causing issues for her at work but that's being dealt with separately.

26th February 2025

Two police officers visit at home and say due to the incident they want me to surrender my guns and licences pending a review by firearms licencing. Took every gun, scope and add on including a air rifle. I didn't argue or refuse, helped pack everything away.

1st March 2025 I received a letter from Firearms Licensing operational headquarters dated 26th February 2025 revoking my licence for the below reasons. (Thought I could add a pic but can not)

Between 2006 and 2025 you have been involved in a number of incidents which are identified as risk factors in the firearms licencing: home office statutory guidance. These can be summarised as follows:
25/03/2006 Speeding in excess of 30mph
28/07/2006 Speeding in excess of 30mph
28/09/2006 Speeding in excess of 30mph
10/10/2018 Speeding in excess of 30mph, and failing to give information relating to the identification of the driver.
21/02/2025 Community resolution issued for assault after you admitted grabbing a male around the neck and causing reddening.

10/10/2018 I took this to court and appointed a solicitor as didn't believe this to be the case the judge said that while he agreed with me that he could not throw the case out as it would open up floodgates for similar cases. I am a mechanic by trade and was driving a friends car that was having intermittent faults so the paperwork had gone to their address I had contacted the police several times before it all going to court.

Question is am I fighting a loosing battle by even trying to appeal this revocation of my licence?

Many thanks for any advice offered and for taking the time to read the mammoth post.
 
Sorry to say it, but I think you're fighting a losing battle.
There are enough incidents there for it to be considered a "pattern of behaviour".
Best bet would be to be on your best behaviour for the next five years, then reapply.
Others may have a different opinion, but that's mine.
 
VSS said:
Sorry to say it, but I think you're fighting a losing battle.
There are enough incidents there for it to be considered a "pattern of behaviour".
Best bet would be to be on your best behaviour for the next five years, then reapply.
Others may have a different opinion, but that's mine.
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Thank you for your opinion it's appreciated
 
Quixote said:
It seems as though they've been looking for an excuse, to be honest.
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Do you think so? To be honest I've not had my licence since 2006 so I would have thought that the previous sp30 would have been taken into account on my initial application and on my renewal.

Many thanks for your advice
 
Sorry, what I meant was it looks as though your FLD are looking for excuses to revoke licenses across the board, and you've fallen into the net. I'd honestly seek advice from a specialist and take it from there. To be honest though, the 'assault' aspect (fairly minor, and arguably justifiable as it is) will no doubt count against you
 
Quixote said:
Sorry, what I meant was it looks as though your FLD are looking for excuses to revoke licenses across the board, and you've fallen into the net. I'd honestly seek advice from a specialist and take it from there. To be honest though, the 'assault' aspect (fairly minor, and arguably justifiable as it is) will no doubt count against you
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I see what you mean now. This is what I though that it will go against me but though it was worth an ask In here incase anyone else had had a similar issue.

Really appreciate your time thank you.
 
I have dealt with similar cases to yours. I'll be blunt and straight to the point. Do not appeal you will waste youre money. The fld have the evidence which shows you in a bad light. No matter what excuses you post it will make no difference. I suspect the recent assault offence has given them no choice but to revoke. I would suggest you seek a meeting with the flm. Tell them the circumstances offer mitigation then tell them you understand the reasons for the revocation. Ask them if they would be open to a grant application in five year's. If you can keep youre nose clean in that time you will have a good chance of getting granted. Do not listen to anyone that tells you that you have fell into a trap etc, you have alone lost youre licence due to you're behaviour over the years.
 
Jeff8861 said:
I have dealt with similar cases to yours. I'll be blunt and straight to the point. Do not appeal you will waste youre money. The fld have the evidence which shows you in a bad light. No matter what excuses you post it will make no difference. I suspect the recent assault offence has given them no choice but to revoke. I would suggest you seek a meeting with the flm. Tell them the circumstances offer mitigation then tell them you understand the reasons for the revocation. Ask them if they would be open to a grant application in five year's. If you can keep youre nose clean in that time you will have a good chance of getting granted. Do not listen to anyone that tells you that you have fell into a trap etc, you have alone lost youre licence due to you're behaviour over the years.
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Thank you for your honest opinion the very reason I posted is for peoples honest opinions and to not blow smoke so to speak.

I posted honestly what had happened and the reasons in the letter.

I will seek a meeting with Flm as suggested.

Regarding my firearms that I handed over what happens to them am I correct in assuming that they can be signed over to a licenced dealer or another licenced person as one was recently signed over to me by a friends father and I would like to be able to return it to him if he wishes.

Many thanks for your time.
 
fishingcinma said:
Thank you for your honest opinion the very reason I posted is for peoples honest opinions and to not blow smoke so to speak.

I posted honestly what had happened and the reasons in the letter.

I will seek a meeting with Flm as suggested.

Regarding my firearms that I handed over what happens to them am I correct in assuming that they can be signed over to a licenced dealer or another licenced person as one was recently signed over to me by a friends father and I would like to be able to return it to him if he wishes.

Many thanks for your time.
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Yes you can arrange for a rfd to collect them or if someone has a slot . Once that's sorted you can then store them or move them on.
 
would think a waste of time appealing. They look for any reason to confiscate guns Unfortunately seems you have gave them enough reasons to act. Keep your nose clean the next 5 years and try again.
Atb
 
I’d hazard that it’s not so much they’re ‘looking for an excuse’ or ‘been told to take guns away’ so much that, post Plymouth, there is no risk tolerance towards leaving firearms/shotguns with people who have been involved in any sort of violent incident.

If it were an outright case of self defence I can see how there might be a discussion to be had, but as a general rule I don’t think that it’s particularly unreasonable, and from what you’ve described there wasn’t a self defence aspect to this.
 
buckfever said:
would think a waste of time appealing. They look for any reason to confiscate guns Unfortunately seems you have gave them enough reasons to act. Keep your nose clean the next 5 years and try again.
Atb
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Thank you for your advice.

SussexSteve said:
They have been told to take guns off people and you are an easy target. Being honest about what happened has backfired on you. Are you a member of BASC or the like? Good luck
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Unfortunately honesty doesn't always pay off. Unfortunately I am not. Thank you for your reply.

63 said:
I’d hazard that it’s not so much they’re ‘looking for an excuse’ or ‘been told to take guns away’ so much that, post Plymouth, there is no risk tolerance towards leaving firearms/shotguns with people who have been involved in any sort of violent incident.

If it were an outright case of self defence I can see how there might be a discussion to be had, but as a general rule I don’t think that it’s particularly unreasonable, and from what you’ve described there wasn’t a self defence aspect to this.
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You are correct it was not self defense. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post.
 
If you were defending your daughter then self defence applies. I assume the CRO acts like a caution so if you accept it you have plead guilty to the offence. No help to you but CRO’s and cautions are used when the police know they probably won’t get it to court and can fluff up their conviction numbers. Best of luck with your appeal.
 
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