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Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement
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I look forward to the state funded purchase of all my bullets, ammunition and cartridges
Rewulf
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I wouldn't hold your breath !
As far as they're concerned, you've got a year to sell them all
As will many, shops, distributors and users. But it will not happen the government got burnt with the pistol ban given the cost of compensation far exceed estimates and the government did not have a 29 billion black hole plus from memory it was necessary due to some EU law.
It’s hard enough now to buy some types of components, can see it getting a lot worse likely from next year going forward, who would manufacture or import any of the type of projectiles, shot, ammo or cartridges that if unsold will become illegal to sell or use and can only be disposed of as scrap lead, potentially costing the business a lot of money.
So in practice, we are likely will be forced in to using non-toxic quite a lot sooner than 2029.
unless one stocks up for personal use and if still in possession come 2029 they take the risk to continue using it which could risk a fine and certificate/s revoked.
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timbrayford
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The big unknown is whether the cartridge manufacturers can satisfy demand, the NGO have very wisely stated that they want the government to liaise with the manufacturers during the passage of this legislation. Hopefully both the review stages in the Lords and Committee will subject this aspect to an in depth scrutiny.
bluesako
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anyone remember as a kid out hunting rats roosting pidgeons, with your bsa mk1 airsporter, with a load of lead pellets in your mouth, 
drinking corperation pop, which came through lead pipes,playing with your lead soldiers with your mates, doing pocket money jobs painting with lead paint, going on bomb sights mooching for lead scraps, to weigh in at the local scrap yard, to get some pocket money to spend on lead pellets, i worked in the water industry for 34 years handling tons of lead pipe, and when i retired i was tested for lead in my body, and guess what ? my test came out negative no sign of any lead, makes you think doesnt it.
drinking corperation pop, which came through lead pipes,playing with your lead soldiers with your mates, doing pocket money jobs painting with lead paint, going on bomb sights mooching for lead scraps, to weigh in at the local scrap yard, to get some pocket money to spend on lead pellets, i worked in the water industry for 34 years handling tons of lead pipe, and when i retired i was tested for lead in my body, and guess what ? my test came out negative no sign of any lead, makes you think doesnt it.
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HonestJohn
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There’s an exemption to the establishment, politicians, party donors and HNWLet’s hope they all own purdey or the likes shotguns
Smellydog
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It's all been over hyped to create a narrative to protect the privileged and trample on the little guy.anyone remember as a kid out hunting rats roosting pidgeons, with your bsa mk1 airsporter, with a load of lead pellets in your mouth,
The cartridge manufacturers are asleep at the wheel
They are already behind in the products available across the calibre lines
You will see a huge explosion in smaller businesses adapting
BioAmmo, etc
They are already behind in the products available across the calibre lines
You will see a huge explosion in smaller businesses adapting
BioAmmo, etc
The price of lead bullets has also gone up premium lead bullets has a similar price as premium copper bullets. An old copper mine are opening in northern Sweden they see a future high demand of copper in europe and a decline of copper producers limits the availability.
Local price of bullets.
Norma Oryx 180gr
1495sek/100
Barnes TTSX 165gr
745sek/50
posted elsewhere put worth posting again, interesting about the price of bismuth, £1100 a thousand it’s gone up by if they want to make new bismuth 32gm cartridges, what’s that then nearly £3000 a thousand…. ouch.
www.fieldsportschannel.tv
Massive majority against lead ammo ban
The world of shooting does not want a lead ammo ban. Look into it more carefully and a complex picture emerges. Charlie Jacoby talks to Warter Priory headkeeper Frank Croft, who banned lead on his shoot in 2021, pigeon shooters Geoff Garrod and José Souto who have moved over to steel, Simon...
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may not be the fault of the cartridge manufactures, you may not have noticed in sleepy scotland
but wars are happing causing supply problems especially propellant.
Dunwaters
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That was the Queen of Hearts.
You are calling me blinkered when you personally are obsessive and unable to even consider alternative explanations to your own flawed conclusions?
Was Clement Attlee a hypocrite when he negotiated a peace treaty with Hitler and promptly put your country on a war footing?
Purely for information, and only for long enough for you to respond let’s pretend that you’re right.
What next?
Do you penalise the official or the organisation or both. What level of sanction would satisfy you? What possible positive outcome do you foresee?
I know you don’t like questions, and theres three there, but if you're going to carry on indulging your obsession I think the rest of us are entitled to know what it would take to satisfy you.
Well thats rich, I take there are no mirrors in your house?
Please note, I didn’t start this, you did, you have pursued the individual concerned through several threads on this forum endlessly repeating as fact your single mistaken belief and refusing to heed or accept explanation or clarification.
Do you really think that the individual concerned made numerous statements on a public forum unless the organisation was aware of and supported those contributions?
Do you think he spends the hours he does on this and other fora because he’s bored?
Its his job, he represents his employer.
Had those statements been unofficial we would have heard by now and the individual would have been sanctioned.
And you call me slow?
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Dunwaters
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Here’s the link to the ECHA proposals.
echa.europa.eu
This is what’s driving the lead ban, including yours.
Lead in shot, bullets and fishing weights - ECHA
echa.europa.eu
This is what’s driving the lead ban, including yours.
Tu quoque.
He didn't do anything of the sort. Clement Attlee never met Hitler or had any dealings with him.
Ballsmay not be the fault of the cartridge manufactures, you may not have noticed in sleepy scotland
Suppliers have been blaming everyone else
No-one is shooting steel shotgun cartridges in the middle east or ukraine
They can still produce huge volumes of lead cartridges
They have very little volume in steel which is easier to produce
they have not addressed any of the 410/28/20bores
timbrayford
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With all due respect the Lead Ammunition Group's anti efforts preceded this by a number of yearsHere’s the link to the ECHA proposals.
Lead in shot, bullets and fishing weights - ECHA
This is what’s driving the lead ban, including yours.
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