tackb
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i noticed that , but heym seems an intelligent person when you read his posts so you can only assume he has an agenda?
Interesting open letter concerning the lead shot/ammunition ban
- Thread starter Spear Chucker
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Hmmm I’d replace the word intelligent with fanatical then I’d agree
Have you found a study yet that gives conclusive evidence that eating lead shot game has caused illness in humans yet I asked some weeks ago ?
"Plumbosolvency refers to the ability of a solvent, especially water, to dissolve lead. This is a concern in public water supplies because it can lead to lead contamination of drinking water through the corrosion of lead pipes, lead service lines, or lead solder used in plumbing."
"Yes, rainwater can be considered plumbo-solvent, especially if it's acidic. Plumbosolvency refers to the ability of water to dissolve lead. While rainwater isn't inherently high in lead content, its acidity can cause it to leach lead from pipes, particularly older lead pipes, solder, and other plumbing materials."
"Yes, rainwater can be considered plumbo-solvent, especially if it's acidic. Plumbosolvency refers to the ability of water to dissolve lead. While rainwater isn't inherently high in lead content, its acidity can cause it to leach lead from pipes, particularly older lead pipes, solder, and other plumbing materials."
grandad of the woods
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I mate have this totally wrong but I believe this AI answer is right so to contaminate a ton of soil to a lever that it is deemed in fit or contaminated you would have to shoot it with 50 cartridges whoooooooo the **** is shooting that much over a piece of land that you need 50 ounces of lead to fall withing 1 ton of soil
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grandad of the woods
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And if that is right, haven't even begun to calculate how many cartridges you would need to fall over a ton of soil shooting up in the air with the spread of the lead pattern your talking 1000s of round son one spot ?
Spear Chucker
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Of course he hasn't. There is none. So to your other point, we are dealing with a fanatic to whom the truth and facts are entirely irrelevant, unless he thinks it is in his favour. Just keep repeating the mantra until you convince yourself and everyone around you that you are right. Our politicians do it every day. Sadiq Khan is an expert.
I just find it so odd that someone who keeps quoting science can’t find me one scientific study that proves lead shot game has caused illness in humans
( this is the part where he goes quiet then pops up on another lead thread rather than answering a direct question)You would his friends in his beloved EU could find something for him.I just find it so odd that someone who keeps quoting science can’t find me one scientific study that proves lead shot game has caused illness in humans
Spear Chucker
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I am now convinced his real name is Hu Flung Dung and he lives in Beijing. The joke is on us...we have been completely taken in by a fictional forum member. He must be wetting himself.I just find it so odd that someone who keeps quoting science can’t find me one scientific study that proves lead shot game has caused illness in humans
It just looked to me like the shooters of muzzle loaders / vintage firearms etc, throwing everyone else under the bus in an attempt to preserve their own narrow interests.
Smellydog
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@Heym SR20 where’s your reply ?
Utectok
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It’s a point of view I suppose. Personally I’m
Pretty resigned to going lead free, annoying but not the end of the world. I suspect some black powder people it will be the end of the road for them? Anyway I think more carping about it on SD will change precisely nothing and I’ve shot copper rifle rounds for years and steel over the foreshore too without a major headache.
Conor O'Gorman
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These personal attacks by a handful of fellow forum members on @Heym SR20 for merely stating facts are out of order. Lead is classified as a ‘substance of very high concern’ and has a zero-tolerance threshold meaning that there are no safe accepted levels. Its impacts on wildlife, the environment and human health are well documented. Taking a proportionate approach to the elimination of risk posed by lead ammunition is beneficial to the environment and the long-term future of sustainable shooting.
The problem is the approach isn’t proportionate. If it was proportionate then there would be no proposed ban on lead ammunition for shooting clay pigeons at established grounds.
A proportionate response would be banning the sale of lead shot game and permitting game for personal consumption to be harvested with lead shot. If we are all still permitted to smoke and drink alcohol then we should be free to choose to consume lead shot game.
A proportionate response would see the curtailment of lead shot use on large commercial game shots and see its use on small scale walked up shoots continue.
A proportionate approach would be not to cite the death of one grey partridge to lead shot ingestion as sufficient reason to see the introduction of draconian anti lead shot legislation.
It’s time it was realised that the long term future of sustainable shooting doesn’t lie in appeasing the opponents of fieldsports and that large bag commercial shooting producing a glut of game meat that can hardly be disposed of isn’t the best example of sustainable shooting.
The above of course only applies if first quantifiable effects of the use of lead ammunition from an unbiased source can be produced to put the risk of using lead ammunition in context rather than the almost hysterical no safe level of lead mantra which has unfortunately become the norm from the anti lead campaigners.
Surely BASC with its anti lead shot legislation policy can contribute a strong case for the defence of lead shot use where risks are shown to be insufficient to warrant legislative intervention.Hopefully we will see their latest ideas posted on the forum quite soon in an attempt to shift away from acceptance to constructive opposition.
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Spear Chucker
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Fair enough. We have to work within the law, but if the law is an ass, you have to keep kicking it.
Spear Chucker
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Conor, your credibility on this topic is shot. These are not personal attacks, it is gentle ribbing. Don't try to make something out of nothing. It does you no favours. He is not stating fact. He is just repeating your highly selective line. With you and BASC on our side, shooting has no future, sustainable or otherwise. You sold us out on the back of bent reports. You are just desperate to defend what is obviously an entirely indefensible position. BASC has no relevance. John Swift saw to that, the new mob are just continuing the ruination of what was a fairly decent body. Away with you.
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