man who converted staple gun to real gun gets five years, as he should do,

How about the highest rates of tax in Europe that we pay?
I think you’ll find that we’re one of the lowest taxed countries in the OECD.
Legalisation would cut off the criminal supply markets and pay for addiction support for those in need.
Alcohol causes far more societal damage than all illegal drugs combined. Ever been beaten up by a pothead?
 
But your post specifically said drug use doesn’t affect you…
i dont have a wife, not fused about mother but do have children.
yes it would be awful, but the act of using the drugs doesnt affect me or any one else, same as drinking, drug driving is clearly stupid, same as drink driving.
 
It's a mind altering substance, taken for that very reason, not just an offensive smell.


I just gave two examples whereas drug use does affect others. Drug driving puts others at risk and my children and I are being forcibly exposed to a controlled substance by virtue of our neighbours. It's antisocial.

Teenagers drinking aren't forcing it down someone else's throat. Smoking a drug and drinking are not comparable, although I also don't think teenagers should be drinking illegally anyway. There's published evidence of damage to cognition from weed smoking so teenagers smoking while brains are developing has deeper effects on both them as individuals and on society.

That's before you get into thinking about smoking being banned and proven harmful effects of it- I'll wager it's only a matter of time before similar stats are available for other smoked drugs such as weed for increased lung cancer risk and others, which again costs individuals, families and society. But the potentially impaired cognition of weed users would probably stop them figuring that out, or caring.

I guess you'll still find a way to trivialise any evidence that doesn't fit your prerogative though.
not trivalising any risk, smoking causes cancer, drinking alcohol( a mind altering substance) cause liver disease, but its still a personel choice.
 
not trivalising any risk, smoking causes cancer, drinking alcohol( a mind altering substance) cause liver disease, but its still a personel choice.
You are. In calling for it to be legalised you're deciding the risks are so small as not to count as a reason to keep it illegal. That's a working definition of trivialising something.

My family and I being exposed to it isn't a personal choice. In your view does the addict's personal choice trump ours?

Same for anyone hit by a drug driver.
 
Where the money comes from to deal with it? How about the highest rates of tax in Europe that we pay?
I believe you are a long way from the highest rated of tax in Europe. UK seems to be in around 18th place. But I agree with saving money where possible. We are just starting to investigate 5000 cases of early retirement (due to things like ill health) that are suspect.
 
You are. In calling for it to be legalised you're deciding the risks are so small as not to count as a reason to keep it illegal. That's a working definition of trivialising something.

My family and I being exposed to it isn't. In your view does the addict's personal choice trump ours?

Same for anyone hit by a drug driver.
i think smelling weed smoke and any danger are being over egged because you dont like the smell.
i think the risk with drugs is probably less than alot of things we deem normal, nothing is with out risk.

there are people with cannabis on prescription now
is being killed by a drug driver worse than being killed by a drunk driver?
 
i think the risk with drugs is probably less than alot of things we deem normal, nothing is with out risk.
Drugs are illegal, and that's an end to the argument as far as I'm concerned. I despise them, I despise those who use them, and I despise the filth who peddle the sh*t with a venom.

You just can't trivialise the danger some coked-up f*ckwit in his ****mobile presents. And it happens all over the country, on a daily basis.
 
i think smelling weed smoke and any danger are being over egged because you dont like the smell.
i think the risk with drugs is probably less than alot of things we deem normal, nothing is with out risk.

there are people with cannabis on prescription now
is being killed by a drug driver worse than being killed by a drunk driver?

may i ask , do you smoke cannabis? or take drugs?

generally in my experience it's those who use drugs that want it legalised and argue that alcohol is as bad etc

and those of us who have never used drugs want the law enforced more

i'd be interested to know ?
 
may i ask , do you smoke cannabis? or take drugs?

generally in my experience it's those who use drugs that want it legalised and argue that alcohol is as bad etc

and those of us who have never used drugs want the law enforced more

i'd be interested to know ?
no dont smoke cannabis or do drugs.
i just think people should have the right to choose
 
Drugs are illegal, and that's an end to the argument as far as I'm concerned. I despise them, I despise those who use them, and I despise the filth who peddle the sh*t with a venom.

You just can't trivialise the danger some coked-up f*ckwit in his ****mobile presents. And it happens all over the country, on a daily basis.
so is amsterdam an absolute hell hole?
what about prescription cannabis? ledal to injest just not smoke? the docs the prescribe it?
 
may i ask , do you smoke cannabis? or take drugs?

generally in my experience it's those who use drugs that want it legalised and argue that alcohol is as bad etc

and those of us who have never used drugs want the law enforced more

i'd be interested to know ?
Given the concentrations of illegal drugs found in the sewerage systems beneath Parliament and the current status quo, would, I suggest dispel your argument..
 
so is amsterdam an absolute hell hole?
what about prescription cannabis? ledal to injest just not smoke? the docs the prescribe it?
Don't know. Never been. But I imagine outwith the 'nice' bits it's every bit as much a drug and crime-ridden sh*thole as Edinburgh, for example.

As for prescription cannabis, I think as long as you're not impaired you can drive
 
so is amsterdam an absolute hell hole?
Yes it is.
Amsterdam is a beautiful city that I'm very glad to have visited but totally spoiled by the smell of weed and graffiti.
I am glad to have visited the city but shan't be returning.

P.S. The sex museum was amusing!
 
Given the concentrations of illegal drugs found in the sewerage systems beneath Parliament and the current status quo, would, I suggest dispel your argument..

not sure i follow ?

nothing a DnA check un announced wouldn't solve , anyone testing positive for illegal drugs in parliament could then be immediately sacked as unsuitable
 
i think smelling weed smoke and any danger are being over egged because you dont like the smell.
i think the risk with drugs is probably less than alot of things we deem normal, nothing is with out risk.

there are people with cannabis on prescription now
is being killed by a drug driver worse than being killed by a drunk driver?
I walk down a hedge (next to a green lane) heading to a stalking stand, a couple of times motorbikes have gone past then stopped, by the time I have caught up they have parked up and fired up their joints as I went past :doh:
 
not sure i follow ?

nothing a DnA check un announced wouldn't solve , anyone testing positive for illegal drugs in parliament could then be immediately sacked as unsuitable
2021 and 2022, a Sunday times investigation found widespread traces of Cocaine in Parliament. Things may well have improved somewhat now Gove has gone..
 
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