man who converted staple gun to real gun gets five years, as he should do,

[timbrayford]

sorry to hear that ,

i won't take this discussion any further out of respect to you.

we can just agree to disagree amicably ?

Absolutely

 

[Apthorpe]

I think you’ll find that we’re one of the lowest taxed countries in the OECD.

The OECD disagrees with you. I know whose opinion I find more authoritative.

Legalisation would cut off the criminal supply markets and pay for addiction support for those in need.

No, it wouldn't. The criminal supply.markets would be legal and there's no plausible connexion with addiction support services. The government might seek to tax it using that excuse, bur tax is never hypothecated and governmental promises to this effects are always egregious lies.

Alcohol causes far more societal damage than all illegal drugs combined.

Nonsense.

Ever been beaten up by a pothead?

No. Nor by an alcoholic.

 

[WW.]

i think smelling weed smoke and any danger are being over egged because you dont like the smell.
i think the risk with drugs is probably less than alot of things we deem normal, nothing is with out risk.

there are people with cannabis on prescription now
is being killed by a drug driver worse than being killed by a drunk driver?

Got it, you think a druggie's personal choice trumps mine and my children's.

Both are bad, hence why it should remain illegal.

 

[WW.]

But nothing will stop this, Portugal and others who have decriminalized have proven success stories, may as well get some contribution from these losers.. Hand wringing doing nothing achieves … nothing ( funny that)

Cracking down on use and working to change cultural complacency around it would change things.

 

[shakey jake]

Got it, you think a druggie's personal choice trumps mine and my children's.

Both are bad, hence why it should remain illegal.

what about people who have it on prescription?

 

[HallyButt]

Cracking down on use and working to change cultural complacency around it would change things.

Good in theory, but who will enforce crack down and also the UK culture became lost forever decades ago…. Out compete the supply (although criminals will just move onto something else) and tax to hell is the only realistic option… Spending the tax on poor driving and antisocial behavior crack down as well as mental health support…

 

[WW.]

what about people who have it on prescription?

Are you referring to my family potentially being forcibly exposed to someone else's medication?

Or how about someone driving whilst on a prescription for it?

Cannot comprehend that you would try to defend either. It should remain illegal.

And I would argue that the majority of those claiming they take it 'for medical reasons' do not do so on prescription as they've made that claim since before the exemption. Further, for prescription drugs we usually refine them into a regular form of known dosage which is taken at set intervals or circumstances based on significant studies and approvals. We don't say suck on tree bark for a headache, we use aspirin. The medical use excuse for smoking weed is largely just that - an excuse for abuse.

 

[WW.]

Good in theory, but who will enforce crack down and also the UK culture became lost forever decades ago…. Out compete the supply (although criminals will just move onto something else) and tax to hell is the only realistic option… Spending the tax on poor driving and antisocial behavior crack down as well as mental health support…

See my first post. You don't make things better by giving up. Smoking was widespread and socially accepted, as was drink driving. Change for the better is possible and I'm not writing my country off just yet.

 

[shakey jake]

Are you referring to my family potentially being forcibly exposed to someone else's medication?

Or how about someone driving whilst on a prescription for it?

Cannot comprehend that you would try to defend either. It should remain illegal.

And I would argue that the majority of those claiming they take it 'for medical reasons' do not do so on prescription as they've made that claim since before the exemption. Further, for prescription drugs we usually refine them into a regular form of known dosage which is taken at set intervals or circumstances based on significant studies and approvals. We don't say suck on tree bark for a headache, we use aspirin. The medical use excuse for smoking weed is largely just that - an excuse for abuse.

you are using very emotive words. people are trusted to use very strong painkillers that make you unfit to drive, sometimes when needed not constant.
why should all drugs remain illegal?

 

[tackb]

you are using very emotive words. people are trusted to use very strong painkillers that make you unfit to drive, sometimes when needed not constant.
why should all drugs remain illegal?

all drugs are not illegal ?

 

[shakey jake]

all drugs are not illegal ?

ok, ill rephrase.
why should drugs currently classed as illegal recreation drugs, be kept illegal

 

[rollotomassi]

We have the techology to eradicate illegal drug use, we dont have the political will. Mostly because majority of people in high finance, politics etc are on some form of gear.

if The City was randomly audited with on spot drug tests and huge fines they would up sticks to NYC or wherever. Its a policy choice from the state.

 

[shakey jake]

We have the techology to eradicate illegal drug use, we dont have the political will. Mostly because majority of people in high finance, politics etc are on some form of gear.

if The City was randomly audited with on spot drug tests and huge fines they would up sticks to NYC or wherever. Its a policy choice from the state.

would that work aswell as random drug testing has stopped drugs in sport?
how would you police false positives?

 

[jonnybotang24]

Imagine if that ingenuity was put to a constructive use.

What a line...exactly. could have been the next elon musk!

Now he is on a staple diet in prison.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Anyone who thinks the ideology of legalising drugs and taxing them highly will actually work is bonkers.
The cigarette tax is high, and I hardly know anyone who buys legitimate cigarettes.
Weed is easy to cultivate.
And trying to stop Coke from getting to these shores is impossible, we can't even stop highly visible dinghies full of illegals arriving.
No brain addled druggies are going to buy from government controlled shops, it's just not their style to conform.

 

[Johnnywood]

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Not sure what this years figures are but on personal income, profits and gains we were higher than average.

But a long way from the most heavily taxed, no matter which way you look at it.

 

[tackb]

Anyone who thinks the ideology of legalising drugs and taxing them highly will actually work is bonkers.
The cigarette tax is high, and I hardly know anyone who buys legitimate cigarettes.
Weed is easy to cultivate.
And trying to stop Coke from getting to these shores is impossible, we can't even stop highly visible dinghies full of illegals arriving.
No brain addled druggies are going to buy from government controlled shops, it's just not their style to conform.

apparently they are already bringing drugs in with them

 

[Bo Diddley]

This forum is great, post #3 converted this thread about an idiot who converted a nail gun into a firearm, straight into a bunfight about legalising drugs
Merry Christmas everyone

 

[Johnnywood]

The OECD disagrees with you. I know whose opinion I find more authoritative.

No, it wouldn't. The criminal supply.markets would be legal and there's no plausible connexion with addiction support services. The government might seek to tax it using that excuse, bur tax is never hypothecated and governmental promises to this effects are always egregious lies.

Nonsense.

No. Nor by an alcoholic.

We rank 18th in the OECD, with an average tax rate of 33.5 as opposed to an average of 36.5 in the G7.
Criminalising people at a young age for possession etc invariably leads to a far greater likelihood of involvement in crime, reduces employment opportunities etc etc. Implementation of a legal frameworks in other countries point to far better outcomes and reduced demand.
Find me stats that suggest alcohol causes less societal damage that illegal drugs.
Your last offering is laughable, alcohol is probably the biggest catalyst for violent assault.

 

[HallyButt]

See my first post. You don't make things better by giving up. Smoking was widespread and socially accepted, as was drink driving. Change for the better is possible and I'm not writing my country off just yet.

Smoking just switched for vaping, still harmful, still anti social just cheaper and money laundering enabling, not to mention targeting kids and the environmental catastrophe…

Drink driving still goes on, a lot, again too hard to enforce other than a token gesture around Christmas (also a nice cushy gig)

Bliar ****ed the country, everyone since just made it worse …