No it would not but it would prove that you were incapable of a humane head or neck shot under some circumstances.
HWH.
How good a shot are the stalkers in the UK?
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No it would not but it would prove that you were incapable of a humane head or neck shot under some circumstances.
HWH.
Thats a daft comment.
EVERYONE is incapable of head/neck and even chest shots in SOME circumstances. That includes me, and you.
I work within my limits and don't take shots I'm not comfortable with so I don't do head or neck shots - happy?
The conversation about how good people are at shooting at targets is a reasonable guide to how good you are as a stalker shooting deer, but it does make you a good shooter of deer there are lots of things (time, weather, ground, fitness ) that make an awfull lot of differance when out deer shooting.
You must also note I did not use the word stalking as that is the technique used to get neer to deer to take a safe shot.
BUT the thing that makes the most differance is THERE ARE NO TARGETS ON A DEER.
You must also note I did not use the word stalking as that is the technique used to get neer to deer to take a safe shot.
BUT the thing that makes the most differance is THERE ARE NO TARGETS ON A DEER.
Tamus
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And that IS as GOOD as it gets, in my book.
Do any other nation's stalkers claim to be better shots than this? If they do, they deceive only themselves.
Correct ,many go on about hunting tests including shooting tests in Europe, I don't know about all European country's , but Belgium is one I do know of, don't know how long ago compulsory testing was introduced, but do know older hunters were granted grandfather rights.
But stranger than that holding a FAC in Belgium is in no way tied to having passed a hunting test, so a Belgian who has not passed the hunting test can and quite a few do bring their rifles and hunt in the UK.
They are granted a European pass on the strength of owning a rifle so can travel through out Europe, they also need a visitors firearm permit to hunt in the UK but that is granted providing they are of good character, and can meet the other criteria necessary, permission to hunt and a UK sponsor
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Its OK to say you dont do neck or head shots but sometimes you have to ( when finishing of a wounded animal ) in the last 20 years I have probably done 5-6 neck and head shots for that reason.
Before that I lost count of how many shot on a deer park.
Before that I lost count of how many shot on a deer park.
Tamus
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You miss the point of the man's post. He doesn't say YOU should or shouldn't do this, or that.
He describes GOOD shooting. Good marksmanship is all very well but we shoot deer and GOOD shooting of deer is not simply a question of good marksmanship. As I said earlier, Olympic standard marksmanship is actually irrelevant.
THe OP asked ... How good a shot are the stalkers in the UK?
Luckyeddie gives the best right answer to that question, IMHO.
It's a question of defining what "GOOD" means in the context of stalking.
Any shot at any distance is permissible to prevent a wounded animal from getting away.
Wolverine
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We agreeing again bogtrotter
That makes at least 3 of us
bambislayer
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very generalised answer, yes they often are.
I don't think shotgun shooters are any worse.
you do however get the Alpha male (often a military officer) who doesn't like taking instruction. Women in general are far better as they will readily listen.
used to have a married couple who visited for a week at bucks and a week at stags. He was hugely competitive, she always shot more, simply for the fact that she listened.
I have a friend who teaches shooting and he maintains that the girls invariably do better because they are willing to listen.
Whereas the boys think they know everthing and just want to use the rifle and don't listen.
Ed
bambislayer
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Can't remember where I heard this fact, possibly from my father who served with them.
the Gurkas are thought to take better to rifle marksmanship, because the have no preconceptions regarding the subject. Ie not sat watching Rambo or playing call of duty.
Probably not from the old man as he certainly pre dates tv, but he can never speak more highly of any group of people. I'm sure it comes down to mind set.
the Gurkas are thought to take better to rifle marksmanship, because the have no preconceptions regarding the subject. Ie not sat watching Rambo or playing call of duty.
Probably not from the old man as he certainly pre dates tv, but he can never speak more highly of any group of people. I'm sure it comes down to mind set.
western woodsman
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One of the main reasons I got my 17 HMR was to effectively practice my rifle shooting generally at a fraction of the cost of shooting centrefire cartridges exclusively for practice. Of course practice does need doing with the deer rifle too. But it is good to shoot as much and often as possible as shooting is a discipline like any other that needs practice and refinement like any other. It is quite difficult to shoot a rifle for practice in this country unless you have access to enough land to do your own thing. Bisley is fine in the south, but is hardly spontaneous or easy to do. What I find most strange though is at a range like Bisley after zero is checked, hardly any shooters much less stalkers are out there with the sticks or sitting down shooting like they ought to practice. What would be great would be something like the shotgunning equivalent of sporting clays set in a woodland, but for rifles at safe 'deer' targets in natural settings where scores can be checked. Various target distances could be increased etc. A moving target or two could be introduced as well. Having a go on such a facility twice a year would give stalkers the measure of their shooting.
Tamus
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I think we share that friend
A-S-A-A
Correct!
Monkey Spanker
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Punching paper is always time well spent, but it has the limitation of being stationary and only 2 dimensional!
What many stalkers fail to appreciate is the fact that deer are in fact 3 dimensional!!! They don't always stand broadside on and still like the DSC 1 Roebuck target!! Oblique stances and elevation differences have a huge effect on shot placement so as to achieve lethal and humane hits to the vital organs.
It's worth studying the anatomy of deer so you know what you can get away with. It is worth getting a straight rod or bamboo and holding it against a gralloched carcass to simulate entry and exit points at different angles so as to still try and hit the heart. Try it, you may be surprised!
MS
What many stalkers fail to appreciate is the fact that deer are in fact 3 dimensional!!! They don't always stand broadside on and still like the DSC 1 Roebuck target!! Oblique stances and elevation differences have a huge effect on shot placement so as to achieve lethal and humane hits to the vital organs.
It's worth studying the anatomy of deer so you know what you can get away with. It is worth getting a straight rod or bamboo and holding it against a gralloched carcass to simulate entry and exit points at different angles so as to still try and hit the heart. Try it, you may be surprised!
MS
swarovski
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I like to think I am a decent shot but Sunday shooting mcqueens I didn't hit the vbull once at 200yds,it's a one inch bull,usually get 2 or 3,had 5 once,I am struggling with aics stock though,I like to just fit my fingers under the stock,with aics stock my fist isn't enough.
Virbius
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Look around on the web for rifle clubs around the UK, there may be one close. A local club has club days every Wednesday and Sunday, 3 full-bore days each month where you can shot anything up to .57 calibre at 100yds and also military range up to 600yds. As a full member you can take a local Range Officer course after which you can shoot at the club range whenever you like with a .22.
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