Potential new stalking show

I think a show that educates is a very good idea i have never stalked CWD and would like to watch a knowledgeable person stalk and take this animal but the main part for me would be a good general knowledge of the animal and why it is being managed in that particular area.
Kill it cook it eat it would also work for me.
 
Ok but people obviously want to see different styles and methods, perhaps it`s because they don`t have access to stalking like we have or just curiosity. Am I wrong for wanting to open things up a bit? Not wanting an argument I just think we could all benefit if it`s done right.

I don't know you but I have absolutely no reason to believe that you are anything other than a thoroughly decent, well intentioned chap.

But you know what they say about the road to hell... :D
 
I don't know you but I have absolutely no reason to believe that you are anything other than a thoroughly decent, well intentioned chap.

But you know what they say about the road to hell... :D
Cool, we`ll run with it and I`ll be happy to receive your "I told you so" if it goes pear shaped.
 
Sounds like an excellent idea.

I have a suggestion, if it is going to be a non commercial project then I thnk you should approach BASC and ask if you can make use the state of the art media facilities that many of us donated towards......
 
Good idea - potentially.

Anyone visiting SD will quickly realise there is no one 'homogenous' stalker, so please some people sometimes is a worthy aspiration in itself.

Sponsorship by and large ruins such programmes on Youtube. Most viewers are pretty perceptive and the marketing guru's seem to fail to realise they often achieve the exact opposite of their intention. Integrity is an easy word and hard to achieve. But audiences are very good at picking it up.

Few of the others touch on the 'Jack Hargreaves' factor as raised by LuckyE - getting across real interest and passion - and whether the case or not, seeming to take time to deal with a thing - rather than hack editing and rush.

However, what people think they want and what comes over as interesting viewing may not be the same thing! But I certainly second the desire to have much less 'There's one.. bang; there's another...bang' type scenes.

Be aware it is incredibly difficult to set a scene for camera - safety concerns, backstops etc etc

Finally, from traumatic personal experience, script carefully. Off the cuff light hearted quips about 'power bands' can come to haunt you! :doh:

 
Draft script extract for "Mister Crabtree goes stalking":

"Now Peter, today we're going to cull red deer hinds in the Scottish Highlands. It's -4 degress with a high windchill factor so I'm wearing head-to-toe Gore-Tex. We'll be shooting over quite long ranges so I have a .270 rifle with a Swarovski Z6i telescopic sight, a bipod, and I have these Zeiss rangefinding binoculars. You're just a boy though so you'll be doing this in shorts, plimsolls and a light flannel shirt. I'm going to lend you this Brown Bess flintlock musket to teach you about fieldcraft, respect and discipline. Off you go now, see you this evening. I'm just going to sit here by the fire with my pipe and think about respect for the quarry.Tally ho!"
 
Charlie ,
keep away from remote control cars as running anything,melons exploding or any other soft fruit and stupid gags keep it serious if you want to be taken seriously .
And try and not be too blatant with the advertising and gizmo's .
i wish you luck with your up and coming venture .
kind regards Norma

Ps even as a kid I loved that out of town programme .
 
if it is going to be a non commercial project then I thnk you should approach BASC and ask if you can make use the state of the art media facilities that many of us donated towards......

BASC are doing good work already.

BASC Films

I found their "introduction to woodland deer stalking" film very good, I show it to friends to explain what I do.

But I don't think it would be of much interest to the youtube generation.

I liked the recent Blaser ad. too.

I also watch the boar shooting stuff too, different sport, where action and adrenalin are the point, and the excitement captured well. The princeling is damn good, I'll try to find a link to him speaking english (better than most of us).

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My all time favourites were the Jack Charlton programmes.

Occasionally some crass bits but serious respect shown to the quarry and never a numbers game like some of the programmes / videos available.
 
BASC are doing good work already.

BASC Films

I found their "introduction to woodland deer stalking" film very good, I show it to friends to explain what I do.

But I don't think it would be of much interest to the youtube generation.

I liked the recent Blaser ad. too.

I also watch the boar shooting stuff too, different sport, where action and adrenalin are the point, and the excitement captured well. The princeling is damn good, I'll try to find a link to him speaking english (better than most of us).

That is what I mean with the fact there is already professional facilities that already exist to promote shooting so they should be opened up for use with other projects. I can't believe for one minute they are used to their full potential at the moment and it would be good for there to be partnerships to create a good program.
 
Species:
There are 6 species of deer in the UK
huge proportion of stalkers have probably only shot 1 or 2 and probably never seen some of the smaller ones
I would like to see a range of stalking, not just highland red or arable fed roe.
Mix it up with boar

Nature:
I want to see shots of owls 6ft from a high seat, hares that walk into line of sight at 10ft as you are being so stealthy, the noises and smells of what we see outside at 5am on a summer's morning, roe fawns in a hay field, footage of wildlife that no-one else sees and coming home empty handed but happy because you just spent 6 hrs IN nature.

Conservation:
The bigger picture.
Everything that we do outside stalking in partnership with landowners and farmers, be it snaring, shooting vermin, feeders etc etc
The real country code
the darker picture (long dogs and poachers with .22's)

Sport:
There is more to what we do than on the day.
build a story around the full cradle to grave experience
going out with your dad as a kid, gradually getting more experience and responsibility until you see the deer before he does, your first rifle, your first deer, prep it, cook it, eat it, the pride
the time and effort and planning that goes into it, getting the clothes, boots, reloading, testing, zeroing, prepping the night before, the sleepless nights in anticipation, the early rises before the alarm had a chance to go off, the dog sitting on your coat/boots/rifle so as not to be left behind

The results:
The pause after the shot, watching the followers move off under their own steam, taking note of young, old, injured, pregnant, bucks, hinds, does and stags
the approach, The checks
The gralloch (and examination)
the carrying/dragging, loading, butchering, cutting, slicing, mincing, bagging, sausage, burger, bresaola making,
the barbecues, the sunday lunches, the dinners with non stalkers, and their genuine surprise at what they are actually eating and how nice it is!


Education:
anatomy and physiology - in detail.
butchery and cookery
ballistics and bullet choice
calibre and cartridges
optics and light
weather and waterproofing
toys and accesories


What should be avoided:

Painting deer as crop destroying, tree bashing, RTA causing vermin to be shot on sight - I want to see stalkers shown as the people who care about the deer the MOST not the LEAST
Tacticool gun crazies
balaclava wearing cammo clad snipers
long range shooting other than to test ability should something go wrong. I want to see how close people get not how far their latest custom 6.5x47 £5k rifle can hurl lead....we know that.


close up camera work when what we really want to see is the bigger picture
constant shot changing (think badly edited Tarantino film!)
intrusive soundtracks and poor dubbing - don't dumb it down, "genius it up"!
 
BASC are doing good work already.

BASC Films

I found their "introduction to woodland deer stalking" film very good, I show it to friends to explain what I do.

But I don't think it would be of much interest to the youtube generation.

I liked the recent Blaser ad. too.

I also watch the boar shooting stuff too, different sport, where action and adrenalin are the point, and the excitement captured well. The princeling is damn good, I'll try to find a link to him speaking english (better than most of us).

He is truly phenomenal. "Spectacular" even. I am in total awe... it's stuff like that that gets the youtube hits and makes the big money... which is kind of my point... "Spectacle" is required of sport by the viewing public.

Training videos are an excellent idea.... as a prelude to actually doing it for real... but I doubt if the "hit" rate for that will be anywhere near so high...

Sport follows the demands of the viewer once that particular Pandora's box of publicity is opened... it's happened in every other successfully publicised sport so why would that same pressure not come to bear here? ... Of course, if it flops on youtube... no such issue arises.

ps. Franz-Albrecht speaks a fair bit of English in the vid I posted, but his continental, aristo-charm and good looks aside... it's definitely the "money shots" that draw the crowds and sell the aimpoints. .... The whole of that last sentence is entirely not what deer stalking in the UK is about...
I don't want to come to the SD in several years time to read about the succession of (by then) household names who have "raised" stalking to cult or celebrity status...
Note: slopes tend to become slippery when wet. :D
 
This does sound like a great idea, as a novice stalker I have many questions that I am trying to answer through research (including youtube). Some that spring to mind.

Scope selection, not brand but what magnification for stalking, reticules pros and cons, ranges to consider zeroing at and why, basic use of a scope MOA, holdover, judging distance.
Shooting stances, pointers on how to take a stable shot. Shooting from sticks seated, kneeling and standing.
How to make your own sticks, seen some great homemade hazel tripods
Logical approaches to a graloch and inspection.
Bullet weights, loads and tips
Barrel rotations, barrel lengths and what to consider.
What actually is the difference between a £500 optic and £1000 optic (everything I have found on this is promotional)
Rifle care
Rifle actions, how they differ and what this means to a shooter.

These are some of things as a novice I am trying to get my head round!

(Can you tell I have been using the search function on here a lot!)
 
Sorry I couldn't find the less-edited video, which is even more impressive IMHO. After the charge, he checks the piggies and realises one is not quite dead, shoots it again. Actually he went straight back to the one he was doubtful about.

Edited out I daresay to avoid conveying any wrong impression.

Terrific stuff.

PS: Albrecht uses a standard .270

Seems it really is the minimum calibre for boar, with such marginal results :D
 
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I watch a fair bit of YouTube stuff and my thoughts are if your going to do product reviews,which I hope you are, if something is crap say it like it is,if something is worth having tell us,we lack the truth due to suppliers sponsorship deals.and could your stalker s occasionally wear something else but real tree,:roll:
 
BANG ON PINE MARTIN
:thumb: a good show with content , show and tell on the kit no bull**** from adverts say it how it is , plus the art of stalking and how the last act is delt with start to finnish others seam to skim over what happens after the shot is taken.:tiphat:
 
Why not as a start do a short series on SD's own apprentice stratts. It could then clearly show a progression that someone has to take
 
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