No, make it simpler, zero 1 inch high and just shoot at the deer. I don't consider drop when shooting at deer. Regards JCS
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No, make it simpler, zero 1 inch high and just shoot at the deer. I don't consider drop when shooting at deer. Regards JCS
I. Farticus
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Bingo!
Zero at 100yds
Decent reticule
Time at the range 200-x00
Learn your clicks and "drops at each 100yds increment, AND with a decent reticule, learn which line/blob relates to what range...
Zero at 100yds means that to check zero I just shoot at the middle of the target at 100yds.
I might be a simple soul, but it works for me
Heym SR20
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To be honest I am often more concerned about wind and its effect on a bullet. A 20, 30 or even 50 mph wind is a pretty common occurrence on Scottish hill ground. Factor in a bit of rotor / turbulence and you are not trying to dope a simple crosswind. If I was shooting all day everyday then instinct can take over - I'm not so again best way of reducing error is to get closer. In woodland / farmland unseen grass, twigs etc can have a similar effect.
No time for clicks, sticks, or other adjustments where I hunt. Most often, when you see the deer, they have seen you! A quick mental adjustment for wind and range and you shoot.~Muir
I. Farticus
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Zero - 100yds
Blob 1 - 160yds
Line 1 - 210yds
Blob 2 - 270yds
and:
100yds - Zero
125yds - -0.5"
150yds - -1.0"
175yds - -2.0"
200yds - -3.5"
225yds - -5.5"
250yds - -7.5"
It's all on a couple of stickers on my stock, which I check regularly before and whilst out
Absolutely! all this so called "zeroing" one inch, half an inch or whatever high @ 100yds hoping you will be on at 150 or so is just guess work, if you want to be on at 150yds then zero at one 150yds!
Otherwise zero at 100yds, memorise your MPBR for your calibre, any further then that dial in.
Ian.
see it shoot it
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Its the above that seperates point and hope shooters from the precision shooters
Ian.
Always worked / s for me, from a Diana .177, right on up to my .270!
Some gunlayers do it by that, "Feels right split second"
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I wonder whether this is based on a different understanding to mine of what is meant by 'to zero'?
I think zeroing your sight/rifle combo is setting your sight to a notional (not actual, as there'll always be some) elevation and a true (hopefully...) wind zero.
It seems to me therefore entirely correct to speak of 'zeroing a rifle 1" high at 100yds'. It is certainly a better description that 'zeroing at 182yds', or whatever the range at which the POA and POI coincide, if you shot at 100yds.
All that it means is that at the notional elevation-zero of the sight, the POI is 1" above the POA at 100yds. This seems to me still to be a 'zero'.
Its the above that seperates point and hope shooters from the precision shooters
Ian.
Ian
I recently checked the ‘zero’ of my 243 Ackley and got the attached results. I also know from previous checks that if I fire either of my rifles at a target 50 yds away, the ‘Point of Aim’ and ‘Point of Impact’ coincide. Spookily, when I place the target at 160 yds, again the ‘Point of Aim’ and ‘Point of Impact’ coincide. Shot prone with a Harris bipod and no rests under the butt. I check the 'zero' of my rifles on a regular basis.
Regards
JCS
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If I'm not close enough to shoot at it without having to actually calculate the drop and drastically change my aim point then I don't tend to shoot it. Guess that's a bit of a lame excuse but I'd rather not clear up the mess of a badly placed shot . I've done that before .
Its the above that seperates point and hope shooters from the precision shooters
Ian.
No. It separates the shooters that shoot, and the shooters who spend time thinking about shooting!
~Muir
bewsher500
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I zero my PCP air rifle at precisely 33yds.
I do this because I know from the calculator and tested results that it gives me the maximum possible MPBR of a 2" target
Its a total pain to do but with loopy projectiles is a must.
Past 50yds I need to holdover
I don't shoot past 50yds
lots of people shooting x30 rifle scopes with micron wide reticules, who can count the hairs of whatever target they are shooting and "rangefind" it at precisely 149m
to that extent the turret twiddling and mental masturbation serves a purpose.
those that travel light, sans laser rangefinder, use low mag x6-8 scopes, no bipods, stalk until the deer fills the scope but can accurately eyeball the difference between 100 and 125 yds, 175 and 200yds..... It serves no purpose.
whether you call it "zero" or not, maximising the effective point and shoot capability of a rifle still requires you know where it lands inside the ranges you expect to shoot at.
you still test it at those limits, or at least I do.
As has already been pointed out, when you point a 4a reticule at a "target" at 150yds with a x6, x7,or even x8 scope your reticule is covering a bigger margin than the MPBR you have allowed for.
It is designed for this purpose, so it shows up in poor light and gives you an instinctive aim point,
it doesn't matter which camp you are in
I do this because I know from the calculator and tested results that it gives me the maximum possible MPBR of a 2" target
Its a total pain to do but with loopy projectiles is a must.
Past 50yds I need to holdover
I don't shoot past 50yds
lots of people shooting x30 rifle scopes with micron wide reticules, who can count the hairs of whatever target they are shooting and "rangefind" it at precisely 149m
to that extent the turret twiddling and mental masturbation serves a purpose.
those that travel light, sans laser rangefinder, use low mag x6-8 scopes, no bipods, stalk until the deer fills the scope but can accurately eyeball the difference between 100 and 125 yds, 175 and 200yds..... It serves no purpose.
whether you call it "zero" or not, maximising the effective point and shoot capability of a rifle still requires you know where it lands inside the ranges you expect to shoot at.
you still test it at those limits, or at least I do.
As has already been pointed out, when you point a 4a reticule at a "target" at 150yds with a x6, x7,or even x8 scope your reticule is covering a bigger margin than the MPBR you have allowed for.
It is designed for this purpose, so it shows up in poor light and gives you an instinctive aim point,
it doesn't matter which camp you are in
John Gryphon
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The Swift is as flat as a ***** carters hat!
shaun22/250
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I think as said most CF hunting rounds are very similar 100-200 yards. I have a .270 and was trying different rounds to see how they shoot. I found that 130gn SP 140gn SST and 150gn SP were all so close at 100 yards that i tried a little experiment. i took 2 of each round and put them in my pocket and pulled them out at random and shot a 6 shot group at 100 yards (shoot n c target) the second pic is a 6 shot group at 97 yards with 130gn SP
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Properly stoked it takes 'flat' to another level, what the **** is a ***** carter? That is one I have never heard. J
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