Suggest you familiarise yourself the requirements. They are freely available, at http://www.dmq.org.uk/download.htm
Your AW would soon put you straight about what ICRs you could demonstrate from a high seat.
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level two with the BDS for £492 for two days.
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Suggest you familiarise yourself the requirements. They are freely available, at http://www.dmq.org.uk/download.htm
Your AW would soon put you straight about what ICRs you could demonstrate from a high seat.
nuttyspaniel
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Cheers for your reply. Im fully aware regards the requirements. I posted that statement so I could answer when I was picked up replying to Apache. As Apache says its all about getting venison to an acceptable level. Which I understand but theres a bit more to it than that. And again I will say this course however good in some peoples eyes it looks. Does the whole DSC an injustice in my eyes. Heres another train of thought and I know Ill be picked up for it but there is similarities. Learning to drive now people have to learn theory and do a practicle test and demonstrate their skills before getting a pass. That takes practise...
Nutty
Not really. If you are crap at stalking you'll scare all the deer off. You might get frustrated but no harm done.
Personally I think it is wrong that you can put venison into the food chain without level 2. Level one is fine in theory, but you don't need to have seen a lymph node in real life or a picture to pass.
Basically are you safe and do you practice hygienically. That's what level 2 is.
mereside
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my two pence worth i really pushed myself for level two i wanted to know in my own mind if i was lacking in my knowledge i really enjoyed the experience. I here all the time people want a fast track through and a cheaper option and to me makes a joke of the system it should be something to be proud of not doing it quickly,
christ you look abroad and see european hunting tests and they last years and you need to know everything about all species not just deer. people whining all the time about how you don't need this or that,
for me it should be made harder not easier it is becoming a joke and i worked hard to learn and will continue to do so because i love what i am doing and i don't want it easy. I understand thats not what everyone wants but you are just cheating the system ,but who cares it seems more and more come into stalking everyday and just want the quick fix and a cheep ride ,im off to bed now as i have had enough port ,atb wayne
christ you look abroad and see european hunting tests and they last years and you need to know everything about all species not just deer. people whining all the time about how you don't need this or that,
for me it should be made harder not easier it is becoming a joke and i worked hard to learn and will continue to do so because i love what i am doing and i don't want it easy. I understand thats not what everyone wants but you are just cheating the system ,but who cares it seems more and more come into stalking everyday and just want the quick fix and a cheep ride ,im off to bed now as i have had enough port ,atb wayne
SDM
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I'm sorry to say but level 1 and 2 does not maketh a deer stalker paper work gets you were you want to get to in all walks of life some live with it some pay for it I know some guys who have done level 1 looking to do level 2 and haven't paunched a rabbit never mind a gralloch a deer hey that's life
Of course for the full set what it would really need is for BDS to specify in the small print that you have to use a Blaser
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N.F.W.M
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I am a BDS member. I think that they are having to play catch up in the marketplace. First off it was the 3 day Deer Managers course reduced from 5. Now the DSC2 in 2 days. BDS have been slow off the mark with where the demand is. Private companies have not. When my DSC2 portfolio was received by BDS, before being sent to verifier, I was given a serious grilling because 2 of my grallochs were on park deer…. Oh how things change!
There will quite shortly become a saturation point in the marketplace, a huge slow down in the demand for training. Down playing the DSC2 to just a quick 2 day course, an easier to attain qualification is only heading one way…. a DSC3. This keeps BDS, and all other private training companies in business !
I'm not having a pop at any training providers, some have revolutionised stalker training for the better in my opinion. But by shortening courses and price cutting they have created their own problem, The UK stalking market is tiny. So the more stalkers attaining their DSC2, the less business there is….. Unless a new course is provided !
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Ed
There will quite shortly become a saturation point in the marketplace, a huge slow down in the demand for training. Down playing the DSC2 to just a quick 2 day course, an easier to attain qualification is only heading one way…. a DSC3. This keeps BDS, and all other private training companies in business !
I'm not having a pop at any training providers, some have revolutionised stalker training for the better in my opinion. But by shortening courses and price cutting they have created their own problem, The UK stalking market is tiny. So the more stalkers attaining their DSC2, the less business there is….. Unless a new course is provided !
Regards
Ed
Overlay
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I am certain there will be disappointment for those who consider this a walk in the park with a guaranteed L2 certificate at the exit gate to Wadhurst.
Whether BDS will publish the failure rate is another matter and its clearly only correct they do not name the disappointed.
Of the positives I cannot think of a more useful experience than being afforded the opportunity to perform a Best Practice compliant gralloch with guidance from a competent AW if that's how one or more of the outings end up being documented as again I feel sure will be the reality for a good percentage of those with little previous experience.
Knocking the BDS for responding to the specific requirement for a fast-tracked L2 qualification is unfair as why would they have less right than any other individual or Organisation to profit from such demand?
I have total faith in the Wahurst Team to deliver a course of the highest standard and quality of experience.
K
Whether BDS will publish the failure rate is another matter and its clearly only correct they do not name the disappointed.
Of the positives I cannot think of a more useful experience than being afforded the opportunity to perform a Best Practice compliant gralloch with guidance from a competent AW if that's how one or more of the outings end up being documented as again I feel sure will be the reality for a good percentage of those with little previous experience.
Knocking the BDS for responding to the specific requirement for a fast-tracked L2 qualification is unfair as why would they have less right than any other individual or Organisation to profit from such demand?
I have total faith in the Wahurst Team to deliver a course of the highest standard and quality of experience.
K
65morris06
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Level 2 isn't only about shooting the beast, is it? A competent gralloch, knowledge of diseases, good larder practice, all are involved.
JabaliHunter
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Only Element 1 (25%) of the DSC2 is about stalking a deer; and of that 50% is about H&S, tools, equipment, etc.
Element 2 (25%) is shooting the deer.
Element 3 (25%) is gralloching and inspection.
ELement 4 (25%) is transporting and lardering.
I see no reason why DSC 2 is devalued because Element 1 is carried out in a large park. They aren't tied up in a small pen or held in a cattle crush for someone to walk up to and despatch after all...
Element 1 is:
1.1 Carry out work safely in line with H&S requirements
1.2 Determine which animal to cull
1.3 Select appropriate firearm/ammunition/equipment to carry put the cull
1.4 Prepare tools/equipment/firearm into safe, serviceable condition suitable for culling activity
1.5 Locate and approach deer to a distance where a safe and effective shot can be taken
1.6 Select individual deer to meet cull requirement.
Element 2 (25%) is shooting the deer.
Element 3 (25%) is gralloching and inspection.
ELement 4 (25%) is transporting and lardering.
I see no reason why DSC 2 is devalued because Element 1 is carried out in a large park. They aren't tied up in a small pen or held in a cattle crush for someone to walk up to and despatch after all...
Element 1 is:
1.1 Carry out work safely in line with H&S requirements
1.2 Determine which animal to cull
1.3 Select appropriate firearm/ammunition/equipment to carry put the cull
1.4 Prepare tools/equipment/firearm into safe, serviceable condition suitable for culling activity
1.5 Locate and approach deer to a distance where a safe and effective shot can be taken
1.6 Select individual deer to meet cull requirement.
I know Wadhurst very well - It is a fabulous multi environment multi species deer park. - The price of the BDS two days is certainly not excessive for the opportunity to stalk there.
Ian
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Should it really take years to obtain level 2 ? you can become an airline pilot in less than 12 months with the right training ,my point is an exam is taken to prove your level of knowledge , be it theory or practical, if you cant do it you fail , maybe the exams should be harder ?
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baguio
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High seat culls don't count for DSC2 stalks so no you wouldn't be done in a day doing it how you describe. Sure, you could get most of it done (if you're up to speed and knowledgeable enough?) but you have to complete the stalks to a point where you can say to the AW that you would now shoot deer A,B or C if it were in season and fitted into the cull plan, even if you don't actually shoot the beast.
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widows son
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Incorrect facts highseat shooting for a level two do count ,if your posting on here at least put down credible facts. I have clarified this at the AW briefing, in a couple of scenarios ie when your level two client is disabled or within an area which is unsuitable ie unsafe to stalk and take a shot at ground level ie urban areas community woodlands in built up areas .
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