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I really cannot believe that anyone on this forum, who is presumably keen on field sports, could ever support the SNP, who are urban based and vehemently against fieldsports and firearms, and sleep walk into a situation where field sports and their followers, who are highly threatened anyway on so many fronts, can willingly vote for independence where they will lose the protection of Westminster and its reforming house.

The Scottish Parliament has no such reforming house; they said they didn't need one because of the committees and the consultation system. What happened?

The committee said there was no need for hunting legislation; what did the parliament(labour) do? Ignore the committee and legislate anyway. Complete abuse of their majority.

The consultation said there was no need for further airgun legislation; what did the parliament(SNP) do? Ignore the consultation and proceed to legislate. Complete abuse of their majority.

Have you seen the Land Reform group proposals? Horrifying.

You must wake up and smell the coffee before its too late!!

Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!!
 
Over many years the Uk has assisted various countries in obtaining democracy. If on Thursday there was a yes vote does the panel think Westminster would assist and support Scotland as a new democratic country or do you think they would do all in their powers to make it more difficult.

You don't need any help. You've got more democracy than us. You can vote on England-only laws but we can't vote on Scotland-only laws; you have more MPs in Westminster per head of population than we do; you have your own Parliament, we do not, and Scotland as a country is recognised on the EU map of Europe. England is not. We have been abolished. As far as the EU is concerned the UK consists of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and 9 EU "regions".

I thank Alex Salmond for one thing. I think we will find he has woken the sleeping English dragon. I hope so.
 
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you already have democracy ! so what are we supposed to assist with?

+1 on that.

I can see individuals..those in positions of authority,power and influence being as awkward as they can possibly be.
Someone on here who lives South of the border commented...if his/ their interest rates and costs of living rise over something that They had no control or vote over then they are not going to be happy.
He also mentioned something about having turned your neighbour into a 600lb angry gorilla.
There will probably be folk there who will want Hadrian's wall rebuilt to modern standards...and a moat added.
I wouldn't blame them either.

ps... as pointed out above we already have what a lot of folk in England..such as Cornwall would dearly like. And...there is more on the table.
If we throw it back in their faces well......
 
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Over many years the Uk has assisted various countries in obtaining democracy. If on Thursday there was a yes vote does the panel think Westminster would assist and support Scotland as a new democratic country or do you think they would do all in their powers to make it more difficult.
Why the disingenuous question ?
Just fishing for a negative ? or looking for someone to blame already (when everything go's horribly wrong ) if the vote is yes ?
 
And on the other side of the coin

Mr. Peter De Vink

Mr. De Vink as his name suggests is not a Scot he was born in the Netherlands but has lived in Scotland for over 50 years.

His credentials
He spent 15 years as investment manager at Ivory and Syme responsible for all unit trust investments, also responsible for creating investment opportunities for UK industry and institutions by arrangingjoint ventures and or setting up new companies which could take advantage of market conditions and by bringing together the necessary financial engineering expertise for such ventures.

Having spent 15 successful years at Ivory and Syme he left in 1979 to form his own company

Edinburgh Financial & General Holdings, its activities included assisting new start ups and corporate finance.

He served for 9 years on the court of Heriot Watt university
He was a member of the board of Offshore Engineering at Heriot Watt for another 10 years
He has been the Governor of Napier University.
From 1984 until 1990 he served on the executive committee of the Scottish council for development and industry

In 1991 he was appointed by the secretary of state for Scotland to serve as a member of the Scottish Industrial
Development Advisory Board.
He is a share holder in RBS
Mr. De Vink has a keen interest in all field sports , Game shooting, stalking, and Salmon fishing in particular
he also served on the committee of the Game Conservancy

He owns an estate in Midlothian,and has also leased a number of shoots over the years

Now Mr. De Vink is not your normal YES voter but a YES voter none the less, a Conservative at heart he believes
that the Westminster Government has lost its way and is no longer relevant in Scotland, he believes independence is the only way for Scotland to build a real future, true his dream is different from many in Scotland he is no socialist but believes a new Scottish Conservative party without any of the past baggage and given some time could grow to be a party of some political clout in an independent Scotland.

Many of the pro stalkers and keepers on here will know Mr. De Vink as he is a regular guest on many estates.

I think eccentric would be a fair way to describe him and he is certainly not everyone's cup of tea, but even his greatest detractors would admit he is a very shrewd, highly intelligent. person with vast financial experience.

So its not only those at the lowest end of society that will be voting yes.
 
A very interesting article by Ewan Morison.

He joined the "YES" campaign, from a "NO" position, to see what he was missing.

He subsequently left, vey disillusioned, and returned to the "NO" bench.

Well worth a read.

Ewan Morrison YES: Why I Joined Yes and Why I Changed to No | wakeupscotland





Steve.

Well worth reading indeed.
If any yes folk read it I wonder if they recognised anything or anyone or even themselves.
Never mind the yes/no folk thing continuing, I can see the different factions of the yes folk fighting like ferrets in a sack.
Looks very 1938 Germany.
Ooops... Godwin's law moment.
 
And on the other side of the coin

Mr. Peter De Vink

Mr. De Vink as his name suggests is not a Scot he was born in the Netherlands but has lived in Scotland for over 50 years.

His credentials
He spent 15 years as investment manager at Ivory and Syme responsible for all unit trust investments, also responsible for creating investment opportunities for UK industry and institutions by arrangingjoint ventures and or setting up new companies which could take advantage of market conditions and by bringing together the necessary financial engineering expertise for such ventures.

Having spent 15 successful years at Ivory and Syme he left in 1979 to form his own company

Edinburgh Financial & General Holdings, its activities included assisting new start ups and corporate finance.

He served for 9 years on the court of Heriot Watt university
He was a member of the board of Offshore Engineering at Heriot Watt for another 10 years
He has been the Governor of Napier University.
From 1984 until 1990 he served on the executive committee of the Scottish council for development and industry

In 1991 he was appointed by the secretary of state for Scotland to serve as a member of the Scottish Industrial
Development Advisory Board.
He is a share holder in RBS
Mr. De Vink has a keen interest in all field sports , Game shooting, stalking, and Salmon fishing in particular
he also served on the committee of the Game Conservancy

He owns an estate in Midlothian,and has also leased a number of shoots over the years

Now Mr. De Vink is not your normal YES voter but a YES voter none the less, a Conservative at heart he believes
that the Westminster Government has lost its way and is no longer relevant in Scotland, he believes independence is the only way for Scotland to build a real future, true his dream is different from many in Scotland he is no socialist but believes a new Scottish Conservative party without any of the past baggage and given some time could grow to be a party of some political clout in an independent Scotland.

Many of the pro stalkers and keepers on here will know Mr. De Vink as he is a regular guest on many estates.

I think eccentric would be a fair way to describe him and he is certainly not everyone's cup of tea, but even his greatest detractors would admit he is a very shrewd, highly intelligent. person with vast financial experience.

So its not only those at the lowest end of society that will be voting yes.

So at least he'll be ok no worries re shooting and stalking and has a bit of money to see him through,phew that's a relief. And no bullets in the post for him then (see below)
Actually it was more my family and myself I'm concerned about.

ps.. mibbe he can have a word with...

"Charles Ritchie, who runs Score Plc, which provides engineering services to oil, gas and nuclear firms, has openly supported the “No” campaign despite receiving threats. In the past two months, his company has received two devices in the post that were made to look like bombs and one live bullet in a box of matches. "
Above quote from another members post recently.

Mr Ritchie needs a bit of reassurance I would say. He's a pretty smart businessman too by the way and he should be allowed his views without intimidation.
 
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Well its not him I'm worried about either, but he is very experienced in the financial sector, and seems to have no doubt of Scotland's ability to make a go of things, unlike some other financial experts preaching doom and gloom

As I have said already for every expert opinion, you will find an expert with an opposite opinion

Do I really know which scenario is correct do I hell as like, neither does any one else its all conjecture, make your choice and live with the consequences .

I for one will be glad when its all over which ever way it goes, I can't change the outcome ke sara sara
 
Well its not him I'm worried about either, but he is very experienced in the financial sector, and seems to have no doubt of Scotland's ability to make a go of things, unlike some other financial experts preaching doom and gloom

As I have said already for every expert opinion, you will find an expert with an opposite opinion

Do I really know which scenario is correct do I hell as like, neither does any one else its all conjecture, make your choice and live with the consequences .

I for one will be glad when its all over which ever way it goes, I can't change the outcome ke sara sara

The thing is the sheer number of experts and financial institutions who have no interest, other than academic, who say voting yes is a very bad idea.
Put them on a see-saw and the rest (those that Can be found) on the other end and see who's left sitting up in the air.
Faith is a wonderful thing,it defeats all logical argument.
I don't have any faith at all in wee eck and the rest and I think they are a Very bad gamble 'cos that's what it will be to vote yes.
They go on about no guarantees from the No side and then offer bu**er all themselves.
 
tell you yes voters what..... if you are so confident in a better Scotland let's draw up a contract where I vote yes but my vote is secured by a £100,000 guarantee in Bank of England notes. It's simple really, if I get a better deal you own me nothing but is I lose out you owe me £100,000 and I only need one person to sign on the dotted line.

Any takers?
 
Driving into work past 8 'No Thanks' signs and 7 'Yes' signs.

Yes signs unmarked, all 8 'No Thanks' signs cut out, kicked down or defaced.

My problem with Yes is the militant, vocal and small minded folk that act like that.

They do not serve their cause well.
 
Driving into work past 8 'No Thanks' signs and 7 'Yes' signs.

Yes signs unmarked, all 8 'No Thanks' signs cut out, kicked down or defaced.

My problem with Yes is the militant, vocal and small minded folk that act like that.

They do not serve their cause well.
It appears that you have found the perfect description of a significant portion of yes voters - aka salmond's brownshirts
 
The Euro.


The UK and Denmark have an opt-out re the erm and the Euro.
We both had the Freedom to choose and we chose.
Sweden is using every trick in the book to avoid being Forced to adopt the euro.

An independant (?) Scotland would Not be free to choose.
Sooner or later, and it will probably be sooner we will be Told to join the euro.
So much for Freeeedom....sorry, couldn't resist :).

It'll be euro notes and coins guy's, maybe there will be the odd wee token thing here and there on a coin or a banknote just to show we are Scottish but considering there are 28 countries in the eec it'll be pretty hard to spot.

Never mind "Bathgate no more" etc. it will be...
Bank of Scotland (est. 1695) notes no more
Clydesdale Bank (est. 1838) notes no more.
Royal bank of Scotland (est 1727) notes no more.

They may all have their head offices in London.

No more William Wallace and other famous Scots on our notes, you'll probably have to Google to find out just what the hell whoever is on the note is.

And the folk who want to go this way call themselves Team Scotland and see themselves as patriots.
Makes me sick.



Here's how the euro went for Ireland.....

The first is written by an Irish guy, note the comments from Irish people....

Joining the Euro-Ireland's big mistake


Did joining the eurozone bust Ireland? | Credit Writedowns


Ireland¿s decision to join the euro has brought ruin to the nation | Mail Online

This last one is from the Communist party of Ireland but it contains an awful lot of info pertinent to Scotland....

Communist Party of Ireland



If anyone can find links showing how joining the euro is a Great idea please post them.
 
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I dont get it all to be honest. I lived in Scotland for 25 years I never felt that there was anything wrong with the country and in many ways a lot better than other countries i,ve lived in. People cross the med in a paddling pool then cling to a lorry axle to get to UK (Scotland included). Get a ****in grip, we are all hugely lucky to have the healthcare education and opportunities we have north or south, cant believe anyone would risk that. Good luck to all however it goes.
 
Is this really all wrong?

"'I have a weird arrangement with my neighbour.
I give him all of my wages, he pays the bills for me and gives me back what's left.
He says we're both better off that way, economies of scale and all that, I've seen its cheaper to buy in bulk so he must be right.
Except recently I've started questioning the arrangement, it's hard to tell but I don't seem to be getting the best deal. (even harder to tell because he has all the receipts and doesn't share the info with me).
He's got the bigger house and car, fair enough as he earns a bit more than me, but people with the same wage as I have (who don't have this arrangement) all seem to be much better off.
From what I can gather, I'm getting a fair bit less back than what I'm giving out.. he says I'm wrong, and keeps telling me I'm a scrounger living off his handouts.
He's taken control of most of the official stuff, last year he "reassigned" a fair part of my back garden to become his back garden now, and tried to keep quiet about it.
He's also decided that his gas boiler is a bit dangerous, so that gets kept outside my bedroom window, where it would destroy the majority of my house should there be an accident, but leave his intact. I did ask him to move it back since I don't even want gas heating, but he said it would be too dangerous keeping it next to his house.
He's also putting in a new high speed driveway, and says I get to share in the cost, even though it doesn't actually touch my land at all and I won't use it, and it's bloody expensive!
We share a common budget, so any major works that are done are shared, fair enough, but all the major work gets done on his house, which ain't so fair. Even if improving his house devalues mine, I still get to contribute to improving his house.
So I've been thinking about scrapping this arrangement and going it alone. It's a little scary to be honest, exciting but scary. Going out and being my own man, doing my own thing with my own money, I'm a little worried I won't always get it right, but I'm hopeful things will improve. I'll be able to start spending my money on what I need, rather than asking him and hope that he needs it too, or won't mind giving me some of my money back for it.
But now he's started scaring me even more.. for example, he told me my shopping would get more expensive if i went to Asda myself, but I asked the manager there and she said he's talking nonsense again.
He's been going round the other neighbours trying to get them to convince me it's a bad idea, even using some of my money to bribe some of them into saying so! (Boris across the road stuck him in).
He also says I won't be allowed back on the neighbourhood committee either. I've been to every meeting since it started, albeit as a partnership, I was there before all the other neighbours, and they all like me and want me there, but he says they won't let me back.. they're not allowed to officially declare anything yet, the committee is kinda bureaucratic that way, since it's currently his name on my paperwork, he's the only one allowed to ask, but won't.
He never usually comes to visit me, but this last week I can't get rid of him, He's all over my house telling me it's gonna be too expensive to redecorate, that the plants in the garden will all wither and die, and the burglars will all suddenly flock to Rob me if I go it alone. It all sounds a bit ridiculous to be honest, and it's not the first time I've caught him lying to me.
On the bright side, after telling me for years it's just a stupid idea, this past week he's decided I might be onto something, and has offered me a "mystery prize" if I decide to stay.. ooh a mystery prize! ...exciting! He won't hint how big a prize though...?
So I've got just a couple of days left to decide.. what do you think?
Yes or No?'
 
Is this really all wrong?

"'I have a weird arrangement with my neighbour.
I give him all of my wages, he pays the bills for me and gives me back what's left.
He says we're both better off that way, economies of scale and all that, I've seen its cheaper to buy in bulk so he must be right.
Except recently I've started questioning the arrangement, it's hard to tell but I don't seem to be getting the best deal. (even harder to tell because he has all the receipts and doesn't share the info with me).
He's got the bigger house and car, fair enough as he earns a bit more than me, but people with the same wage as I have (who don't have this arrangement) all seem to be much better off.
From what I can gather, I'm getting a fair bit less back than what I'm giving out.. he says I'm wrong, and keeps telling me I'm a scrounger living off his handouts.
He's taken control of most of the official stuff, last year he "reassigned" a fair part of my back garden to become his back garden now, and tried to keep quiet about it.
He's also decided that his gas boiler is a bit dangerous, so that gets kept outside my bedroom window, where it would destroy the majority of my house should there be an accident, but leave his intact. I did ask him to move it back since I don't even want gas heating, but he said it would be too dangerous keeping it next to his house.
He's also putting in a new high speed driveway, and says I get to share in the cost, even though it doesn't actually touch my land at all and I won't use it, and it's bloody expensive!
We share a common budget, so any major works that are done are shared, fair enough, but all the major work gets done on his house, which ain't so fair. Even if improving his house devalues mine, I still get to contribute to improving his house.
So I've been thinking about scrapping this arrangement and going it alone. It's a little scary to be honest, exciting but scary. Going out and being my own man, doing my own thing with my own money, I'm a little worried I won't always get it right, but I'm hopeful things will improve. I'll be able to start spending my money on what I need, rather than asking him and hope that he needs it too, or won't mind giving me some of my money back for it.
But now he's started scaring me even more.. for example, he told me my shopping would get more expensive if i went to Asda myself, but I asked the manager there and she said he's talking nonsense again.
He's been going round the other neighbours trying to get them to convince me it's a bad idea, even using some of my money to bribe some of them into saying so! (Boris across the road stuck him in).
He also says I won't be allowed back on the neighbourhood committee either. I've been to every meeting since it started, albeit as a partnership, I was there before all the other neighbours, and they all like me and want me there, but he says they won't let me back.. they're not allowed to officially declare anything yet, the committee is kinda bureaucratic that way, since it's currently his name on my paperwork, he's the only one allowed to ask, but won't.
He never usually comes to visit me, but this last week I can't get rid of him, He's all over my house telling me it's gonna be too expensive to redecorate, that the plants in the garden will all wither and die, and the burglars will all suddenly flock to Rob me if I go it alone. It all sounds a bit ridiculous to be honest, and it's not the first time I've caught him lying to me.
On the bright side, after telling me for years it's just a stupid idea, this past week he's decided I might be onto something, and has offered me a "mystery prize" if I decide to stay.. ooh a mystery prize! ...exciting! He won't hint how big a prize though...?
So I've got just a couple of days left to decide.. what do you think?
Yes or No?'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...never-be-a-big-player-on-the-world-stage.html
This might be worth a read.
 
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