palmer_mike
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Hi gubrath,
I think your writing has a certain familiar style.
You don't mean quite similar to recent former members Tamus and SL6.5 do you?
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You don't mean quite similar to recent former members Tamus and SL6.5 do you?
I'll take that option with the No voters!
If it's a No and the NHS and all the other promises (if they ever materialise) go down the swanny then the No camp give me the same amount.
Any takers?
Hi gubrath
I think your writing has a certain familiar style
This must be some sort of tactic. Whatever. I didn't write the following. It was on my facebook and I liked it so republished it here for everyone to see.
'I have a weird arrangement with my neighbour.
I give him all of my wages, he pays the bills for me and gives me back what's left.
He says we're both better off that way, economies of scale and all that, I've seen its cheaper to buy in bulk so he must be right.
Except recently I've started questioning the arrangement, it's hard to tell but I don't seem to be getting the best deal. (even harder to tell because he has all the receipts and doesn't share the info with me).
He's got the bigger house and car, fair enough as he earns a bit more than me, but people with the same wage as I have (who don't have this arrangement) all seem to be much better off.
From what I can gather, I'm getting a fair bit less back than what I'm giving out.. he says I'm wrong, and keeps telling me I'm a scrounger living off his handouts.
He's taken control of most of the official stuff, last year he "reassigned" a fair part of my back garden to become his back garden now, and tried to keep quiet about it.
He's also decided that his gas boiler is a bit dangerous, so that gets kept outside my bedroom window, where it would destroy the majority of my house should there be an accident, but leave his intact. I did ask him to move it back since I don't even want gas heating, but he said it would be too dangerous keeping it next to his house.
He's also putting in a new high speed driveway, and says I get to share in the cost, even though it doesn't actually touch my land at all and I won't use it, and it's bloody expensive!
We share a common budget, so any major works that are done are shared, fair enough, but all the major work gets done on his house, which ain't so fair. Even if improving his house devalues mine, I still get to contribute to improving his house.
So I've been thinking about scrapping this arrangement and going it alone. It's a little scary to be honest, exciting but scary. Going out and being my own man, doing my own thing with my own money, I'm a little worried I won't always get it right, but I'm hopeful things will improve. I'll be able to start spending my money on what I need, rather than asking him and hope that he needs it too, or won't mind giving me some of my money back for it.
But now he's started scaring me even more.. for example, he told me my shopping would get more expensive if i went to Asda myself, but I asked the manager there and she said he's talking nonsense again.
He's being going round the other neighbours trying to get them to convince me it's a bad idea, even using some of my money to bribe some of them into saying so! (Boris across the road stuck him in).
He also says I won't be allowed back on the neighbourhood committee either. I've been to every meeting since it started, albeit as a partnership, I was there before all the other neighbours, and they all like me and want me there, but he says they won't let me back.. they're not allowed to officially declare anything yet, the committee is kinda beareaucratic that way, since it's currently his name on my paperwork, he's the only one allowed to ask, but won't.
He never usually comes to visit me, but this last week I can't get rid of him, He's all over my house telling me it's gonna be too expensive to redecorate, that the plants in the garden will all wither and die, and the burglars will all suddenly flock to Rob me if I go it alone. It all sounds a bit ridiculous to be honest, and it's not the first time I've caught him lying to me.
On the bright side, after telling me for years it's just a stupid idea, this past week he's decided I might be onto something, and has offered offered a "mystery prize" if I decide to stay.. ooh a mystery prize! ...exciting! He won't hint how big a prize though...?
So I've got just a couple of days left to decide.. what do you think?
Yes or No?'
Question which may have already been answered somewhere in the previous 902 replies, What happens to the like of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards on a YES vote as they will no longer be British, will they just become the Scots Dragoon guards.
pete evans
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I just dont get this oppression bit. As an individual living in any part of the UK you have the ability to make as good or bad life for yourself depending on how you apply yourself. No current or future political regime is going to alter this. Focus your efforts on bettering yourself rather than hoping a better country will enable you to do it (or do it for you)
Regarding the identity thing I dont get that either, seems to me it is more a negative than a positive force. I fear that the scars from this will last for years.
Regarding the identity thing I dont get that either, seems to me it is more a negative than a positive force. I fear that the scars from this will last for years.
wivenhoe65
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That deserves nominating for some sort of creative fiction writing prize,
in the children's category ..........
Taken from today's Telegraph
"Well I’m sorry, that just isn’t going to stand. It’s very nice of our politicians to vow to the people of Scotland that people in England will help them pay for improvements in their health services. It’s nice of them to give a commitment that we will happily continue to hand over our extra 20 per cent to Scotland, even after the Scots vote for what has been described as “home rule”. But it isn’t their money for the politicians to bargain away. And if they want to make a vow with my money, they need to ask me first.
Like most people, I hope the people of Scotland vote to stay in the Union on Thursday. But the people of Scotland also need to understand this. When they’ve voted on Thursday, they will have voted. They will have had their say. And if they vote “No”, and we do move towards a new federalised United Kingdom, then at that point the rest of us are going to want to have our say as well. And some of what we say, the people of Scotland may not like.
Gordon Brown and David Cameron and Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband can promise whatever takes their fancy. But the people of England are not going to be handing over any more blank cheques. If Scotland wants further devolution, fine. But England’s not going to be paying for it. Or at least, we’re not going to be paying for it without some serious discussions first.
The English want Scotland to remain part of the Union. But not at any price."
Things will get worse if we stay!
"Well I’m sorry, that just isn’t going to stand. It’s very nice of our politicians to vow to the people of Scotland that people in England will help them pay for improvements in their health services. It’s nice of them to give a commitment that we will happily continue to hand over our extra 20 per cent to Scotland, even after the Scots vote for what has been described as “home rule”. But it isn’t their money for the politicians to bargain away. And if they want to make a vow with my money, they need to ask me first.
Like most people, I hope the people of Scotland vote to stay in the Union on Thursday. But the people of Scotland also need to understand this. When they’ve voted on Thursday, they will have voted. They will have had their say. And if they vote “No”, and we do move towards a new federalised United Kingdom, then at that point the rest of us are going to want to have our say as well. And some of what we say, the people of Scotland may not like.
Gordon Brown and David Cameron and Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband can promise whatever takes their fancy. But the people of England are not going to be handing over any more blank cheques. If Scotland wants further devolution, fine. But England’s not going to be paying for it. Or at least, we’re not going to be paying for it without some serious discussions first.
The English want Scotland to remain part of the Union. But not at any price."
Things will get worse if we stay!
wivenhoe65
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Ok , answer this then ,why do Scot's not have to pay for university tuition fees and have free care for the elderly and this is not the same across the UK ?
And thats before we start a discussion about any more handouts to entice NO votes
That sounds awfully like a work ethic.
The socialists would not understand or apply their minds to that or any other concept beyond dole, benefits and allowances.
Its like asking the guys who hand out 'socialist worker' what work they do?
The sad part about Scotland is the proportion of people who think that they should and will be provided with a place to live, money in their pockets and services free of charge.
I'd suggest they are given their own island to live on.
The socialists would not understand or apply their minds to that or any other concept beyond dole, benefits and allowances.
Its like asking the guys who hand out 'socialist worker' what work they do?
The sad part about Scotland is the proportion of people who think that they should and will be provided with a place to live, money in their pockets and services free of charge.
I'd suggest they are given their own island to live on.
The SNP has worked the budget handed out by Westminster to ensure this could happen.
Bribery only works for so long before even those accepting it see it for what it is.
limulus
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Gubrath wrote
This must be some sort of tactic. Whatever. I didn't write the following. It was on my facebook and I liked it so republished it here for everyone to see.
'I have a weird arrangement with my neighbour.
I give him all of my wages, he pays the bills for me and gives me back what's left.
He says we're both better off that way, economies of scale and all that, I've seen its cheaper to buy in bulk so he must be right.
Except recently I've started questioning the arrangement, it's hard to tell but I don't seem to be getting the best deal. (even harder to tell because he has all the receipts and doesn't share the info with me).
He's got the bigger house and car, fair enough as he earns a bit more than me, but people with the same wage as I have (who don't have this arrangement) all seem to be much better off.
From what I can gather, I'm getting a fair bit less back than what I'm giving out.. he says I'm wrong, and keeps telling me I'm a scrounger living off his handouts.
He's taken control of most of the official stuff, last year he "reassigned" a fair part of my back garden to become his back garden now, and tried to keep quiet about it.
He's also decided that his gas boiler is a bit dangerous, so that gets kept outside my bedroom window, where it would destroy the majority of my house should there be an accident, but leave his intact. I did ask him to move it back since I don't even want gas heating, but he said it would be too dangerous keeping it next to his house.
He's also putting in a new high speed driveway, and says I get to share in the cost, even though it doesn't actually touch my land at all and I won't use it, and it's bloody expensive!
We share a common budget, so any major works that are done are shared, fair enough, but all the major work gets done on his house, which ain't so fair. Even if improving his house devalues mine, I still get to contribute to improving his house.
So I've been thinking about scrapping this arrangement and going it alone. It's a little scary to be honest, exciting but scary. Going out and being my own man, doing my own thing with my own money, I'm a little worried I won't always get it right, but I'm hopeful things will improve. I'll be able to start spending my money on what I need, rather than asking him and hope that he needs it too, or won't mind giving me some of my money back for it.
But now he's started scaring me even more.. for example, he told me my shopping would get more expensive if i went to Asda myself, but I asked the manager there and she said he's talking nonsense again.
He's being going round the other neighbours trying to get them to convince me it's a bad idea, even using some of my money to bribe some of them into saying so! (Boris across the road stuck him in).
He also says I won't be allowed back on the neighbourhood committee either. I've been to every meeting since it started, albeit as a partnership, I was there before all the other neighbours, and they all like me and want me there, but he says they won't let me back.. they're not allowed to officially declare anything yet, the committee is kinda beareaucratic that way, since it's currently his name on my paperwork, he's the only one allowed to ask, but won't.
He never usually comes to visit me, but this last week I can't get rid of him, He's all over my house telling me it's gonna be too expensive to redecorate, that the plants in the garden will all wither and die, and the burglars will all suddenly flock to Rob me if I go it alone. It all sounds a bit ridiculous to be honest, and it's not the first time I've caught him lying to me.
On the bright side, after telling me for years it's just a stupid idea, this past week he's decided I might be onto something, and has offered offered a "mystery prize" if I decide to stay.. ooh a mystery prize! ...exciting! He won't hint how big a prize though...?
So I've got just a couple of days left to decide.. what do you think?
Yes or No?
You are correct in everything you write, I bow to your thorough understanding of the whole thing and wish you well with the yes vote.
This must be some sort of tactic. Whatever. I didn't write the following. It was on my facebook and I liked it so republished it here for everyone to see.
'I have a weird arrangement with my neighbour.
I give him all of my wages, he pays the bills for me and gives me back what's left.
He says we're both better off that way, economies of scale and all that, I've seen its cheaper to buy in bulk so he must be right.
Except recently I've started questioning the arrangement, it's hard to tell but I don't seem to be getting the best deal. (even harder to tell because he has all the receipts and doesn't share the info with me).
He's got the bigger house and car, fair enough as he earns a bit more than me, but people with the same wage as I have (who don't have this arrangement) all seem to be much better off.
From what I can gather, I'm getting a fair bit less back than what I'm giving out.. he says I'm wrong, and keeps telling me I'm a scrounger living off his handouts.
He's taken control of most of the official stuff, last year he "reassigned" a fair part of my back garden to become his back garden now, and tried to keep quiet about it.
He's also decided that his gas boiler is a bit dangerous, so that gets kept outside my bedroom window, where it would destroy the majority of my house should there be an accident, but leave his intact. I did ask him to move it back since I don't even want gas heating, but he said it would be too dangerous keeping it next to his house.
He's also putting in a new high speed driveway, and says I get to share in the cost, even though it doesn't actually touch my land at all and I won't use it, and it's bloody expensive!
We share a common budget, so any major works that are done are shared, fair enough, but all the major work gets done on his house, which ain't so fair. Even if improving his house devalues mine, I still get to contribute to improving his house.
So I've been thinking about scrapping this arrangement and going it alone. It's a little scary to be honest, exciting but scary. Going out and being my own man, doing my own thing with my own money, I'm a little worried I won't always get it right, but I'm hopeful things will improve. I'll be able to start spending my money on what I need, rather than asking him and hope that he needs it too, or won't mind giving me some of my money back for it.
But now he's started scaring me even more.. for example, he told me my shopping would get more expensive if i went to Asda myself, but I asked the manager there and she said he's talking nonsense again.
He's being going round the other neighbours trying to get them to convince me it's a bad idea, even using some of my money to bribe some of them into saying so! (Boris across the road stuck him in).
He also says I won't be allowed back on the neighbourhood committee either. I've been to every meeting since it started, albeit as a partnership, I was there before all the other neighbours, and they all like me and want me there, but he says they won't let me back.. they're not allowed to officially declare anything yet, the committee is kinda beareaucratic that way, since it's currently his name on my paperwork, he's the only one allowed to ask, but won't.
He never usually comes to visit me, but this last week I can't get rid of him, He's all over my house telling me it's gonna be too expensive to redecorate, that the plants in the garden will all wither and die, and the burglars will all suddenly flock to Rob me if I go it alone. It all sounds a bit ridiculous to be honest, and it's not the first time I've caught him lying to me.
On the bright side, after telling me for years it's just a stupid idea, this past week he's decided I might be onto something, and has offered offered a "mystery prize" if I decide to stay.. ooh a mystery prize! ...exciting! He won't hint how big a prize though...?
So I've got just a couple of days left to decide.. what do you think?
Yes or No?
You are correct in everything you write, I bow to your thorough understanding of the whole thing and wish you well with the yes vote.
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Maybe we should have all got this book...
Eyes Wide Open: How to Make Smart Decisions in a Confusing World: Amazon.co.uk: Noreena Hertz: Books
Bit late now though
Eyes Wide Open: How to Make Smart Decisions in a Confusing World: Amazon.co.uk: Noreena Hertz: Books
Bit late now though
pete evans
Well-Known Member
I always suspected that it was a divisive policy along with the prescriptions, parking at hospitals etc. You could be right of course although I'm not sure I would bet on it with an x.
wivenhoe65
Well-Known Member
Ahem ,roll back a few posts ...
The Barnett formula ...........
"The persistence of per capita public expenditure lower in England than elsewhere continues to attract calls for the formula to be renegotiated. Using figures for the financial year 2006/2007,[SUP][4][/SUP] if a UK-wide per capita average were a notional 100%, identifiable per capita expenditure on services in England would be 97%, in Scotland 117%, in Wales 111% and in Northern Ireland 127% (this does not take account of non-identifiable expenditure, such as defence and debt interest, which are deemed to be for the benefit of the entire UK, regardless as to where the money is actually spent). In cash, this would work out as (per person):[SUP][5][/SUP]
- England £7,121
- Scotland £8,623
- Wales £8,139
- Northern Ireland £9,385
As these variations were not ever a consciously decided policy of the Treasury or Parliament, this inequality has been cited as a reason for reform. Moreover, the erosion of these differences over time is not just slow, but halting. For example the trend in Scottish identifiable expenditure as a percentage of English from 2001/2002 to 2006/2007 was: 121.3%, 120.6%, 120.3%, 117.1%, 119.7%, 121.1%.[SUP][5][/SUP] Some estimate that these differences should disappear in 30 years, but that is by no means evident from recent data.
The population of England is 83% of the population of the UK. Instant abolition of the Barnett formula based on the above figures would result on an average UK expenditure of approximately £7,362. This would be a large decrease for each person in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland but an increase of less than 4% per person for England.
Although not subject to the Barnett formula, there are significant variations in identifiable spending between the regions of England:[SUP][5][/SUP]
- North East £8,177 – 111% of UK average identifiable expenditure
- North West £7,798 – 106%
- Yorkshire and Humberside £8,188 – 115%
- East Midlands £6,491 – 88%
- West Midlands £7,065 – 96%
- Eastern £6,144 – 83%
- London £8,704 – 124%
- South East £6,304 – 86%
- South West £8,677 – 121%
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Go on - please vote yes , if nothing else for the fact that we won't have to listen to your whining anymore
The SNP cut college places and reduced the number of university places so that they looked good. It was a vote winner and nothing else. Never mind the untrained and unemployable youth that we have, we need to look better than the Tories.
I did say the SNP worked the budget - I didn't say it was the best outcome.
Go on - please vote yes , if nothing else for the fact that we won't have to listen to your whining anymore
Woo hoo converted another non believer
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