British guy who fought against IS is now being charged with terrorism offence

Harry mac

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#21
Could it be that they are prosecuting him in preparation of prosecuting any ex-ISIL fighters who come back, so they can't claim they are being unfairly treated? Especially in light of the fact that two "high profile" British ISIL fighters have just been captured.
 

Hornet 6

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#22
Or could it be that anyone who leaves these shores and goes abroad to fight for or against a terrorist group is actually part of the worldwide terrorism
problem and is therefore liable to prosecution ?

Neil.
 

Apthorpe

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#23
Or could it be that anyone who leaves these shores and goes abroad to fight for or against a terrorist group is actually part of the worldwide terrorism
problem and is therefore liable to prosecution ?

Neil.
Could be.. but that's an extremely spurious line to take given that the RAF and our special forces have been openly helping these groups. If the govt view is that these groups are sound enough to back militarily, then they can't view them as terrorists.
 
#24
Could be.. but that's an extremely spurious line to take given that the RAF and our special forces have been openly helping these groups. If the govt view is that these groups are sound enough to back militarily, then they can't view them as terrorists.
+1 I really hope so. Thank goodness nothing was so PC 50 years ago,because a lot of us would have been in serious bother for what we got away with.
 

Hornet 6

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#26
Could be.. but that's an extremely spurious line to take given that the RAF and our special forces have been openly helping these groups. If the govt view is that these groups are sound enough to back militarily, then they can't view them as terrorists.
No, our government have ordered the farces to go out there, that is not wuite the same thing is it.
Our armed forces are for our protection, they dont do much of that do they, they just go where our government tells them to go.
Hands up all those that trust our government to be honest, straightforward and do the right thing for us as a country ??
So thats nobody then

Neil.
 

Apthorpe

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#28
No, our government have ordered the farces to go out there, that is not wuite the same thing is it.
Our armed forces are for our protection, they dont do much of that do they, they just go where our government tells them to go.
Hands up all those that trust our government to be honest, straightforward and do the right thing for us as a country ??
So thats nobody then

Neil.
No? No matter how much well-deserved cynicism you might have about the government, you can't seriously think that the government have ordered the armed forces out there to fight and provide air strikes in support of terrorists.
 

topscots1

Well-Known Member
#29
No? No matter how much well-deserved cynicism you might have about the government, you can't seriously think that the government have ordered the armed forces out there to fight and provide air strikes in support of terrorists.
It all depends on whose side of the fence you sit,some Kurdish groups are classed as terrorists. However we classed them as allies the line is a very thin one.
 

Whitebeard

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#30
This guy is being Scapegoated as a warning from the government that any and i mean any british citizen that dares to fight against their beloved religion of peace will not be tolerated in any way regardless of the circumstances.

Ian.
 

Odders

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#32
Well I can't help thinking, notwithstanding your point of view, that something is seriously missing in 2018 by way of coherent and impassioned campaigning at a time when communication has never been more easy and - one would thing - inclusive. But perhaps its exactly this that leads us to believe someone else has it all in hand.

Country Joe And The Fish I Feel Like I To Die - YouTube

K
Grace Slick on the right I think.
 

victory01

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#33
We really have no idea what this guy and his mates were up to out there. You can't trust Oxfam not to be raping their way round the third world.

This guy has to be investigated, just because the people he is claiming he fought against are scum does not make him a saint.
 

Whitebeard

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#34
We really have no idea what this guy and his mates were up to out there. You can't trust Oxfam not to be raping their way round the third world.

This guy has to be investigated, just because the people he is claiming he fought against are scum does not make him a saint.
The law in this case does not differentiate on grounds of which side you fought for and prosecutors cannot be allowed to be selective just because it suits the overall political agenda, prosecute this man, then the several hundred other british citizens that have fought with terrorist must also be prosecuted.

Ian.
 

Hornet 6

Well-Known Member
#35
No? No matter how much well-deserved cynicism you might have about the government, you can't seriously think that the government have ordered the armed forces out there to fight and provide air strikes in support of terrorists.
Maybe, as our government has been happy in the past to fight for money and oil rights (or help someone who is doing just that) I believe they would if for some reason it benefited them fight with or for terrorists.


Neil.
 

Alantoo

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#36
Maybe, as our government has been happy in the past to fight for money and oil rights (or help someone who is doing just that) I believe they would if for some reason it benefited them fight with or for terrorists.


Neil.
As mentioned earlier, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The amoral stance of governments is neatly illustrated by the reported/reputed exchange between Disraeli and Queen Victoria. After a series of treaties were made and unmade she asked him to explain just who were our friends and who were our enemies? He replied along the lines of "We have neither friends nor enemies, we have interests".

Alan
 

zambezi

Well-Known Member
#37
As mentioned earlier, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The amoral stance of governments is neatly illustrated by the reported/reputed exchange between Disraeli and Queen Victoria. After a series of treaties were made and unmade she asked him to explain just who were our friends and who were our enemies? He replied along the lines of "We have neither friends nor enemies, we have interests".

Alan
Sadly true. Doubtless the govt sponsors, retracts support, re-aligns per new set of interests and will always do that. Yes, Minister used to satire this wonderfully. In practical terms, it leaves some combatants in the lurch once they leave the field of engagement. Most acutely when then took to the field of battle without the mandate that comes with donning national army uniform. But even for those who have fought in HM armed services we see a certain post duty fickleness applied in some cases. I understand the need for transparency. For thorough investigation. But where folk have patently had govt support [tacit or overt] there should be a speedy dismissal of charges so they can get on with lives. Conversely, those known to have supported forces plotting harm against this nation must be tried appropriately [and certainly not accorded any housing or other benefit!]
 

LeftHandGuy

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#38
The likelihood is that this guy's problems stem from the fact that he appeared in a documentary about being a volunteer fighter in a warzone. It only takes one contrary or self righteous prat who saw the documentary to report it to the Police and they have to investigate.

I promise you, nobody in authority is grateful for that opportunity.

Yes - on the whole the government do not want, and have to publicly discourage, people from doing what he did - mostly for mundane reasons rather than sinister ones.

Best possible outcome is that a decent jury acquit the man of any charges. That way, even if he has broken the law (which in all probability he has) he won't be punished for essentially having done a good and decent (not to mention outstandingly brave) thing.

Good luck to him whatever happens....
 

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