Bye bye, close the door on the way out

Hayduke

Well-Known Member
#7
If they do go just stick a 50% tarif on imports when they want to sell them here.


BMW joins Airbus in Brexit warning - BBC News
Most of those who want Mercedes / BMWs etc will still buy them , they will just keep them a year or two longer .

The downside for us is grim if a decent deal isn't done , Some EU companies will loose some sales they will cope without our sales .

The EU will continue to be a---holes in these negotiations because they don't want others following us to the exit door, and they don't want to be reminded the EU has some fundamental faults.
 

paul o'

Well-Known Member
#8
TTFN German strong arm tactics ?? is't the best way forward they tried that twice and lost :british: Naff off these colours don't run
 

stecad

Well-Known Member
#9
Just finished reading "Adults in the Room" by Yanis Varoufakis describing how Greece was shafted by the German/French to save their own economies. Very interesting book and shows how egotistical & protectionist Brussels is.
I've seen it first hand while developing WTO trade rules and a deliberate attempt by the French (supported by the EU & Morocco) to stitch up the UK fishing industry. They hate the UK, and we should not forget that they never wanted us as members in the first place. We were only tolerated because of the money we brought to the table.
We should all be clear that Brussels is an unelected bunch of bureaucrats with a track record of ignoring democracy. The EU is a busted flush that is only still going because of massive Quantitative Easing. Immigration will blow it apart, but the Germans will do all they can to keep it going. It's simply in their interest to keep the Euro as they are the only country actually making things (cars, engineering, etc, etc) that people want. Loosing the Euro would mean reverting to the DM and massive currency inflation. German exports would tank. The French are broke and have to do Merkels bidding to stay liquid. Look at Macron ideas - more Euro and closer financial integration to gain more control over member countries.
Fiscal union is the only way that the EU can survive.

Westminster (Cameron is on record saying it) spun the lie that they were superior to Brussels. Brussels defeated the UK in the Factortame case (1991) and established Supremacy over all member states. We ceded control to Brussels when we joined in 1973. However, what we joined in 1973 has morphed into a different beast that is heading for a car crash. The worry is that we've had over 40 years of statutory integration (reinforced by legal challenge at significant cost to industry & society). Westminster will not wish to go through that pain again to unpick all the legislation. We'll end up with a complete fudge, no influence over new legislation and still be dancing to the Brussels tune for years to come. Westminster will do anything to save the City as this is the biggest earner for UK Plc. The French want it and will bend us over (with the support of Germany) to drive the negotiations. Everything else (farming, fishing, manufacturing) will be thrown at the deal to protect the City.

We are better out, but unfortunately we need a strong team to negotiate the deal. I'm not convinced we have that team.
 
#10
Airbus wings facility at Broughton, (I helped construct the river dock) so I can speak with a little exp, They have no other wing construction facility anywhere in the world to cope with the the larger models they make, it would take a minimum five years to sort one out .. (If they have not already started), as said in earlier post ... BLUFF! and project FEAR.
 

jimmy milnes

Well-Known Member
#12
Just finished reading "Adults in the Room" by Yanis Varoufakis describing how Greece was shafted by the German/French to save their own economies. Very interesting book and shows how egotistical & protectionist Brussels is.
I've seen it first hand while developing WTO trade rules and a deliberate attempt by the French (supported by the EU & Morocco) to stitch up the UK fishing industry. They hate the UK, and we should not forget that they never wanted us as members in the first place. We were only tolerated because of the money we brought to the table.
We should all be clear that Brussels is an unelected bunch of bureaucrats with a track record of ignoring democracy. The EU is a busted flush that is only still going because of massive Quantitative Easing. Immigration will blow it apart, but the Germans will do all they can to keep it going. It's simply in their interest to keep the Euro as they are the only country actually making things (cars, engineering, etc, etc) that people want. Loosing the Euro would mean reverting to the DM and massive currency inflation. German exports would tank. The French are broke and have to do Merkels bidding to stay liquid. Look at Macron ideas - more Euro and closer financial integration to gain more control over member countries.
Fiscal union is the only way that the EU can survive.

Westminster (Cameron is on record saying it) spun the lie that they were superior to Brussels. Brussels defeated the UK in the Factortame case (1991) and established Supremacy over all member states. We ceded control to Brussels when we joined in 1973. However, what we joined in 1973 has morphed into a different beast that is heading for a car crash. The worry is that we've had over 40 years of statutory integration (reinforced by legal challenge at significant cost to industry & society). Westminster will not wish to go through that pain again to unpick all the legislation. We'll end up with a complete fudge, no influence over new legislation and still be dancing to the Brussels tune for years to come. Westminster will do anything to save the City as this is the biggest earner for UK Plc. The French want it and will bend us over (with the support of Germany) to drive the negotiations. Everything else (farming, fishing, manufacturing) will be thrown at the deal to protect the City.

We are better out, but unfortunately we need a strong team to negotiate the deal. I'm not convinced we have that team.
What he said... especially the last paragraph.. ie... how can you expect someone who wanted us to remain to have our best interests at heart to get the best deal for out
 

Rasputin

Well-Known Member
#13
More noise and bluff. No doubt every man and his dog will be using Brexit as an excuse to outsource to cheaper labour and processses. Don’t see Trump worrying about this **** and just whacking his tattoos up. Shame we don’t have anyone who is he euinely working in the interests of this country.

Watched a a very interesting programme on Bloomberg with Varofakis about a year ago he’s a very shrewd guy and knows the score though I don’t agree with his politics he’s absolutely bang on about the EU cartel. On a lighter not though as soon as Merkel goes which could be soon I think that slimy little frog won’t do anything without German Hilary holding his hand.
 

Scotty99

Well-Known Member
#15
If they do go just stick a 50% tarif on imports when they want to sell them here.


BMW joins Airbus in Brexit warning - BBC News
Dont believe a word. It's a negotiating ploy. Immediately after the Brexit referendum the boss of BMW went to Merkel and warned here not to get into a tariff war with the U.K. As 20% of BMWs production is exported into the U.K. That's to mention Audi, Volkswagen, Porsche, Renault, Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat. One of the benefits of no longer having the benefits of having a UK owned motor industry.
 

reloader54

Well-Known Member
#17
plenty of companies lulled over to europe pre brexit,

"far too many bmw,s here anyway" :rofl: and if we're as worse off as some predict nobody can afford a plane ticket.:british:
 

FISH BOY

Well-Known Member
#18
Agree with much on here. Germany has always wanted to take over Europe and failed forcefully and has been trying to do it economically ever since. Frankfurt has always been envious of our City of London..

As much as the concept of the Euro is an interesting idea, due to the material differences in the economies and ethics of its member states, it was always going to be an uphill battle.

With Germany funding, Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal to name a few, it's a house of cards on shakey ground.

I am ever frustrated with the self promoting posturing of some of our so called politicians, the nation has voted, and so they should use every means necessary to be tough to broker the deal to our advantage. Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society now where we try to please everyone and nothing gets done...
 

rodp

Well-Known Member
#20
Ha ha, so it's nothing to do with leaving the EU. It's all to do with carrying on receiving illegal backhanders. Be interesting to know just what the salary is of the person that decided they may leave the UK, and how the bungs stopping would affect it.
 

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