Wild justice challenge against releasing non native game birds

Not so long ago someone posted this.........


Precisely why I have been a critic for a long time now. It generally isn't the staff at working level, there may be one or two - It has been the management level arrogance and problems and dear god, the COUNCIL has presided over all this.
The people on the Council should be ashamed of how little has been done to steer this organisation effectively. Wildfowlers v game shooters v stalkers which is why that MUST not be replicated on the ground.
Show us what you are made of BASC before you deserve our trust. I'm with NGO until the worm turns.
Hope lies with the new CEO and his tenacity and clear strategic thinking - so let us see some of that.
If that doesnt happen within a year, BASC is dead for me and I will never comment again - since one does not speak ill of the dead.


Know who stole the soap box........


Tim.243
Tim, Thanks for that if you dont see the difference then what can I say - I want BASC to succeed despite everything but since you are so mercurial I will stop any more BASC posts until someone asks me to start again. I will NEVER check your posts because I know we are all 'of our own mind'. I am disappointed in you so goodbye.
 
I would be delighted to hear, as i am sure everyone else on here will be, for you to update us all on what your chosen org is doing on medical involvement in FAC and SGC and the Wild Justice attack on game shooting.
Perhaps you have not read the letter from the Minister and our reply showing where we are now and what's happening.
Please you have not read what we did to try and secure game shooting in the face of the threat by WJ
Perhaps you feel introducing thousands of people into shooting each year is not for you, or helping members secure thousands of acres of shooting is not worth while.
Perhaps you feel attacking BASC is the best way to support ,protect and promote shooting, but trust me its not. Working together is the best way forward.
“ Introducing thousands of people to shooting “ as you put it , is a great thing David . But surely a bit redundant if shooting is banned because we failed to stand up to the constant attack’s to the sport ? I think you’ve lost sight of what’s truly important
 
Not so long ago someone posted this.........


Precisely why I have been a critic for a long time now. It generally isn't the staff at working level, there may be one or two - It has been the management level arrogance and problems and dear god, the COUNCIL has presided over all this.
The people on the Council should be ashamed of how little has been done to steer this organisation effectively. Wildfowlers v game shooters v stalkers which is why that MUST not be replicated on the ground.
Show us what you are made of BASC before you deserve our trust. I'm with NGO until the worm turns.
Hope lies with the new CEO and his tenacity and clear strategic thinking - so let us see some of that.
If that doesnt happen within a year, BASC is dead for me and I will never comment again - since one does not speak ill of the dead.


Know who stole the soap box........


Tim.243
I have to ask tim , where does this love of basc come from ? What exactly have they done to deserve this loyalty from you ? I’m genuinely curious ....
 
I have to ask tim , where does this love of basc come from ? What exactly have they done to deserve this loyalty from you ? I’m genuinely curious ....

But let's be honest it wouldnare matter wot they had done ur view would never change, would it?? :banghead: :banghead:

Ur perfectly entitled to ur opinion but why do u think everyone else must share it?
Just because u hate bascdoes not mean u have to constantly slag them off to the extent there employees stop posting.
Pretty selfish and not fair on any site members who do appreciate and pay for the input

So would basc going against professional legal advice and mounting a JR make u happy?
Probably a win-win for some if they lose the JR atleast they can blame basc for something they actually done, even if it hours us in a worse position.
 
Why this is a shock to the shooting organisations and shooters concerns me most
Singular lack of foresight and no strategy to secure our sport's future from all of them.

Sitting through a panel discussion at the Game Fair in Scone with all the usual suspects it was remaniscent of a group of adolescents each taking it in turn to sound important and impress each other about what they had done.

This isn't going away
It WILL get worse

I have my own theory on what comes next and it WILL kill off the driven game business if left unchallenged

The shooting bodies that represent us need to pull together with a cohesive strategy not all doing little bits here and th
Why this is a shock to the shooting organisations and shooters concerns me most
Singular lack of foresight and no strategy to secure our sport's future from all of them.

Sitting through a panel discussion at the Game Fair in Scone with all the usual suspects it was remaniscent of a group of adolescents each taking it in turn to sound important and impress each other about what they had done.

This isn't going away
It WILL get worse

I have my own theory on what comes next and it WILL kill off the driven game business if left unchallenged

The shooting bodies that represent us need to pull together with a cohesive strategy not all doing little bits here and there

Completely agree sir ! . . While most shooters are ‘protecting’ their own 'wee bit o'grun' the well connected antis are collectively using every means possible to get their point across and brainwashing the ignorant across the world . . Time to get political folks before the politically correct get us !
 
Re post 115, the GWCT have already got some excellent research results on game bird release densities and the impact on the wider environment, which goes on the give good guidance on maximum release densities and this is reproduced, in part, within the Code of Good Shooting Practice.

This Code forms just part of the overall strategy to protect shooting and in particular game shooting. If shoots all follow the Code, then we can prove our house is in order and we will not then be open to silly attacks.

However, those who oppose shooting sports will always highlight areas of poor or bad practice and then promote this as the 'norm', so a key to the strategy to protect and promote shooting rests with shooters
 
Tim, Thanks for that if you dont see the difference then what can I say - I want BASC to succeed despite everything but since you are so mercurial I will stop any more BASC posts until someone asks me to start again. I will NEVER check your posts because I know we are all 'of our own mind'. I am disappointed in you so goodbye.
Kes,
I would prefer that you carry on posting. I am fairly new here so am learning fast! I would far rather have access to the whole spectrum of views on these subjects than only have a one sided view, particularly if that view does not highlight the downsides or perceived downsides.

I must admit that it is not great when things get a little personal! Though our sport is an emotive subject anyway.

I have only been shooting for a relatively short while in the UK and am very concerned about the future of the sport here and to be perfectly honest and a little selfish very concerned that I might be forced to stop shooting and to even have to hand over my firearms due to actions taken by others who have no understanding of our way of life and our input into wildlife conservation!

Sorry for the diatribe!

Please keep posting?

Duncan
 
Kes, carry on posting. This is getting a bit like that word Brexit. BASC being the remainers.
Let's just stay as we are don't rock the boat, let's not upset the Authorities. In other words cave in and let people impose more conditions on us, just like the Europe and May agreement. :old:
 
I hear gordon ramsey is in the doghouse now in some quarters,, apparently he ate a guinea pig in peru. says it was tasty too,,[well he probably said "f@*k that's tasty", ;) mmm maybe we could "rewild" them.

gpsc anyone :rofl: :tiphat:
 
Duncan and other gents - Thank you.
I love our sport and the life it gives us and I will always try and ensure we get the representation we deserve, so far I dont see it but the situation may be improving.
We are coming to a testing time where GL's have to be carried through, (in the three parliaments), medical issues within HO Guidance resolved in our favour, (which means no additional medical charges).
WJ and their inevitable legal challenges will continue and need to be put firmly in their place. We do need to be 'demonstrating' that we have put up with enough. Capitulation in the face of increasing pressures just increases the feeding frenzy. I'm sure we all want to leave a vibrant and satisfying countryside for our followers on.
That is why many are arguing for a strategic approach to the defence of our sport, amalgamation and at worst, much better coordination and funding of joint independent studies - GWCT are streets ahead at the moment.
BASC needs to publish its legal advice, needs to open up to its members what it is doing and why - the others are no different - we have a right to see what is or is not being done in our name - maybe then we can, in all conscience become members again. I'd like BASC and the rest to publish the list of freebies they enjoy - they should be raffled amongst their members.
Consultations on BACS's site now allow non -members to submit their comments - how much did it take to realise that this was in the interests of everyone ? Rather less quickly than the calamitous errors of the past are dismissed I feel.
Sorry, I go on too much.

Finn, ok, but I shall be looking for your usual support -I may even rejoin BASC so I can stand for Council - then watch out.
If I do this, I will publish the intent and everything I see or hear !!!!
Say 'hello' to Tim 243 for me - he's on my list, which is 3 now.
 
Duncan and other gents - Thank you.
I love our sport and the life it gives us and I will always try and ensure we get the representation we deserve, so far I dont see it but the situation may be improving.
We are coming to a testing time where GL's have to be carried through, (in the three parliaments), medical issues within HO Guidance resolved in our favour, (which means no additional medical charges).
WJ and their inevitable legal challenges will continue and need to be put firmly in their place. We do need to be 'demonstrating' that we have put up with enough. Capitulation in the face of increasing pressures just increases the feeding frenzy. I'm sure we all want to leave a vibrant and satisfying countryside for our followers on.
That is why many are arguing for a strategic approach to the defence of our sport, amalgamation and at worst, much better coordination and funding of joint independent studies - GWCT are streets ahead at the moment.
BASC needs to publish its legal advice, needs to open up to its members what it is doing and why - the others are no different - we have a right to see what is or is not being done in our name - maybe then we can, in all conscience become members again. I'd like BASC and the rest to publish the list of freebies they enjoy - they should be raffled amongst their members.
Consultations on BACS's site now allow non -members to submit their comments - how much did it take to realise that this was in the interests of everyone ? Rather less quickly than the calamitous errors of the past are dismissed I feel.
Sorry, I go on too much.

Finn, ok, but I shall be looking for your usual support -I may even rejoin BASC so I can stand for Council - then watch out.
If I do this, I will publish the intent and everything I see or hear !!!!
Say 'hello' to Tim 243 for me - he's on my list, which is 3 now.

Please stand for council, Kes. You really are BASC's most loyal (non) member. In this context, conflict is a creative force; not a destructive one.

I renewed my membership today on the strength of David's excellent announcement that BASC intend to join themselves to the defence of WJ's litigation as an interested party. They have my full support in everything they can do to kick the h3ll out of Packham & Co. in court.

Win or lose, David, just keep swinging and we'll keep cheering...

Kind regards,

Carl
 
Duncan and other gents - Thank you.
I love our sport and the life it gives us and I will always try and ensure we get the representation we deserve, so far I dont see it but the situation may be improving.
We are coming to a testing time where GL's have to be carried through, (in the three parliaments), medical issues within HO Guidance resolved in our favour, (which means no additional medical charges).
WJ and their inevitable legal challenges will continue and need to be put firmly in their place. We do need to be 'demonstrating' that we have put up with enough. Capitulation in the face of increasing pressures just increases the feeding frenzy. I'm sure we all want to leave a vibrant and satisfying countryside for our followers on.
That is why many are arguing for a strategic approach to the defence of our sport, amalgamation and at worst, much better coordination and funding of joint independent studies - GWCT are streets ahead at the moment.
BASC needs to publish its legal advice, needs to open up to its members what it is doing and why - the others are no different - we have a right to see what is or is not being done in our name - maybe then we can, in all conscience become members again. I'd like BASC and the rest to publish the list of freebies they enjoy - they should be raffled amongst their members.
Consultations on BACS's site now allow non -members to submit their comments - how much did it take to realise that this was in the interests of everyone ? Rather less quickly than the calamitous errors of the past are dismissed I feel.
Sorry, I go on too much.

Finn, ok, but I shall be looking for your usual support -I may even rejoin BASC so I can stand for Council - then watch out.
If I do this, I will publish the intent and everything I see or hear !!!!
Say 'hello' to Tim 243 for me - he's on my list, which is 3 now.



:rofl:

Tim.243
 
Please stand for council, Kes. You really are BASC's most loyal (non) member. In this context, conflict is a creative force; not a destructive one.

I renewed my membership today on the strength of David's excellent announcement that BASC intend to join themselves to the defence of WJ's litigation as an interested party. They have my full support in everything they can do to kick the h3ll out of Packham & Co. in court.

Win or lose, David, just keep swinging and we'll keep cheering...

Kind regards,

Carl
All well and good Carl but if I were you I would be too keen on the praise ..... they’ve started doing their jobs ! That they get paid very well to do , in my book that’s not really a reason for praise ...
 
Just an example - BASC carried out a survey amongst its members in Wales - reported on the website (as below) . Apart from satisfaction levels apparently in the low 70%'s and higher,
when asked for main reason for dissatisfaction, absolutely nobody mentioned the medical issue. That could be because it hadn't surfaced at the time of the survey - date not given.
The summary is they want "more of what they are getting". Members tell us what they want - BASC
It has to be the most pointless self-congratulatory exercise on record. I know 5 close friends who will not support BASC in Wales) just shows how it comes down to the lowest common denominator - insurance.
Clearly BASC can survive on the gullible and unquestioning - how much more would they learn if they carried out a poll of "why are you not a member of a shooting organisation"
 
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1. Nothing at all to do with the threat to game shooting, which is what this thread is about.
2. If you want to start another thread having a pop at BASC please do so, if you think that is the most valuable thing you can do to support shooting, and leave this thread to discuss the key issue in the original title
3. Shock horror - a membership organisation has asked its members for feedback and published the results -

And now over to your chosen organisation Kes...what are they doing and delivering? What research have they done? Post a link to their results

As I say, lets stick to the issue on this thread please
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David
 
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