Which Country Sports organisation(s) to support?

tarponhead

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Has there been any comparative review between the various shooting or field sports related (e.g. NGO) organisations in terms of the value/quality/ efficacy of the services they actually provide, as opposed to what their marketing says?

I normally renew my NGO membership at the BSS, I’m a former member of BASC and subscribe to Field Sports Britain, but may well go a different route or none at all, this year.

I’m a game, sea and coarse angler, deer stalker, amateur pest controller and clay pigeon shot, so if there is a comparative review that would be helpful. If not, I’ll narrow it down based on reviews/experiences on here, and what I see at the BSS.
 
How broad is your definition of "Country Sports Organisation"?
Having been directly involved with, or considered joining, a few over the years, I now find that the BDS is most closely aligned with my interests (and I'm not just saying that because they pay my daughter's wages), but they're not a shooting organisation. They're a welfare charity.

I'm also a member of BASC, but I do feel that they leave a large sector of the fieldsports community underrepresented. I have continued with my membership primarily for the insurance, but that may change now that BDS is offering an insurance package.

Fieldsports Britain seemed attractive when they added insurance, but £5M liability cover just isn't enough these days. And I think they're getting a bit up themselves these days, and could easily go the same way as BASC with regard to underrepresentation of some sectors.

NGO I won't have anything to do with these days, except perhaps to spit in the direction of their stand at events.
 
Like Tim, I too am a member of BDS and have been since 1996. I was formerly with the CLA and the GWCT and I'm still with the BASC for the insurance but I too have just upped to Premium with the BDS to take their insurance. Over the years, I've had short memberships with the SGA (great for day shoot insurance) and the NGO but its time to rationalise. With the demise of the BASC Arran Scheme, I'm seeing little good reason now to remain with them.
 
How broad is your definition of "Country Sports Organisation"?
Having been directly involved with, or considered joining, a few over the years, I now find that the BDS is most closely aligned with my interests (and I'm not just saying that because they pay my daughter's wages), but they're not a shooting organisation. They're a welfare charity.

I'm also a member of BASC, but I do feel that they leave a large sector of the fieldsports community underrepresented. I have continued with my membership primarily for the insurance, but that may change now that BDS is offering an insurance package.

Fieldsports Britain seemed attractive when they added insurance, but £5M liability cover just isn't enough these days. And I think they're getting a bit up themselves these days, and could easily go the same way as BASC with regard to underrepresentation of some sectors.

NGO I won't have anything to do with these days, except perhaps to spit in the direction of their stand at events.

BDS are back to offering insurance? I know where my money will be going then. I renewed with BASC only in Nov for insurance reasons.

I’ve had various insurers over the years, CPSA, BDS, whoever KWCA use and fortunately never had to to use any yet. Although I heard the other day of someone using their (NRA?) insurance to pay for a split stock on their beretta which was circa £2500 of work!
 
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I must state a former vested interest in the BDS. I was a member of the Management C'ttee in the late 80s until the charity was incorporated and then a Trustee/Director until 2004. I remain a Life Member. The Society is an animal welfare CHARITY with 3 (briefly summarised) aims; Research, (Public) Education and Training. The welfare bit allows them to look at the venison market as a better price for venison tends to higher welfare standards (of shooting, game handling and presentation, and stalker welfare). As a charity they are not allowed to give members a benefit but can promote discounts from commercial sponsors, trade members and to sell insurance. Publication "Deer" an essentially quarterly journal which is an interesting mixture of science, advice and news. The King retained his patronage of the Society expressly upon his accession; he has been a consistent quiet supporter, and actor, for the welfare of deer.

I have been a Life Member of WAGBI/BASC since about 1969 and have not resigned it on the principle it is better to be on the inside of the tent p***ing out than to be ......... I have found them at times commercially acquisitive over Training and do not believe that they always serve their members' interests to the best of their ability. They are strong on firearms help to members and insurance. When I was a BDS Branch Chairman in the 1990s I was told I had more expertise on my Branch Committee than BASC's Deer Committee enjoyed between them. Publication "Shooting and Conservation" similar to "Deer but with very little science and much more advertising.

In similar vein I have been a long term supporter of the GWCT since the late 1970s; they make the research bullets for others to fire in a great many areas. From mountain and moorland management, through the woodlands and lowlands and to the streams and rivers through our countryside. Again they are a Charity but their science is generally unimpeachable being rigorously protocoled, carefully conducted, carefully written, and usually peer reviewed unlike some of the "conservation lobby" organisations. Publicaton(s) - Annual Review plus numerous scientific papers.

I am a member of the NGO which I joined when it was first formed, again partially for the insurance. They were formed in part because of problems with the Gamekeepers Welfare Trust when it was largely administered by BASC. Again they are strong on insurance, firearms advice (including foreign travel and law), and in disseminating information on diseases, on how to deal with the public and "antis", and the law on trapping/snaring and General Licences. Publication "Keeping the Balance" which is strong on applied science and advice.

I am a Countryside Alliance member of recent standing only ( a few years) and do regard their publications well. They are a membership organisation with political lobbying as one of their main raison d'être; they take this seriously, and unlike BASC, acknowledge the role of other organisations in making the bullets they fire.

The OP is a long term member of SD and must have read much about the different organisations over the years; I do not know if you were ever a deer hunter with hounds @tarponhead, I know that was an issue that caused many organisations grief, including the BDS. It also highlighted the hypocrisy of the LACS on deer welfare.

If I could only afford membership of one organisation it would remain as BDS for my stalking interests.
 
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I'm an NRA member and that comes with a fairly broad insurance package which covers taking part in, and coaching of most types of shooting not just target and includes stalking ( and relevant for me archery specifically included as I coach field archery)


I don't know how it compares but this comes free alongside bisley range access which I want anyway

I also have basc for historical reasons but am not convinced it brings anything additional any more


I kept basc last time round as belt and braces but feel that.may not carry on
 
Just joined BDS as a premium member recently, insurance wasn't really the motive i just wanted to support them, I am long time member of SGA and SACS, I support the efforts the SGA have made in fighting the lunatics in the Scottish parliament, SACS membership comes with a game syndicate i am in.
They all provide Insurance for me I would need to go through the fine print to understand the differences.
 
Like Tim, I too am a member of BDS and have been since 1996. I was formerly with the CLA and the GWCT and I'm still with the BASC for the insurance but I too have just upped to Premium with the BDS to take their insurance. Over the years, I've had short memberships with the SGA (great for day shoot insurance) and the NGO but its time to rationalise. With the demise of the BASC Arran Scheme, I'm seeing little good reason now to remain with them.
Didn’t know BDS was back doing insurance great news been with them since mid 90s need to give them a shout and upgrade this week
The way it’s going with renewals I’ve not long joined the SRA as back up will probably let basc go I’ve seen them leave to many guys to hang in the wind when it really counted
 
Clivertons offer very good insurance for firearms sports and associated practices

They get my money for insurance

I’m a member of BDS - whom I support due to my interest in deer, with the caveat that whilst not to the extent of Oldstalker, I’ve been heavily involved in local BDS as a committee member for 20 plus years (now no longer) and found the HQ head shed highly frustrating to deal with ,,,,and they wonder why people leave

It would be helpful if there was a completely new organisation who represented shooting sports in its entirety

The obvious one tha comes to mind is something similar to the NRA (US version)
 
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How broad is your definition of "Country Sports Organisation"?
Having been directly involved with, or considered joining, a few over the years, I now find that the BDS is most closely aligned with my interests (and I'm not just saying that because they pay my daughter's wages), but they're not a shooting organisation. They're a welfare charity.

I'm also a member of BASC, but I do feel that they leave a large sector of the fieldsports community underrepresented. I have continued with my membership primarily for the insurance, but that may change now that BDS is offering an insurance package.

Fieldsports Britain seemed attractive when they added insurance, but £5M liability cover just isn't enough these days. And I think they're getting a bit up themselves these days, and could easily go the same way as BASC with regard to underrepresentation of some sectors.

NGO I won't have anything to do with these days, except perhaps to spit in the direction of their stand at events.
Well put. My definition is as broad as you like, but as my first love is wild trout and sea angling, I support (passively by buying day or season tickets) Trusts who have those in mind. I, like you first went for insurance, but now I’m looking for a bit more and trying to, I avoid supporting narrow sectional interests that ignore facts and data, have no time for an alternative point of view or reasoned argument. I particularly don’t like activists that seek to exploit, damage or denigrate, or even resort to violence to push their world view. So it’s a quandary, hence I asked the question of the SD brethren.
 
I must state a former vested interest in the BDS. I was a member of the Management C'ttee in the late 80s until the charity was incorporated and then a Trustee/Director until 2004. I remain a Life Member. The Society is an animal welfare CHARITY with 3 (briefly summarised) aims; Research, (Public) Education and Training. The welfare bit allows them to look at the venison market as a better price for venison tends to higher welfare standards (of shooting, game handling and presentation, and stalker welfare). As a charity they are not allowed to give members a benefit but can promote discounts from commercial sponsors, trade members and to sell insurance. Publication "Deer" an essentially quarterly journal which is an interesting mixture of science, advice and news. The King retained his patronage of the Society expressly upon his accession; he has been a consistent quiet supporter, and actor, for the welfare of deer.

I have been a Life Member of WAGBI/BASC since about 1969 and have not resigned it on the principle it is better to be on the inside of the tent p***ing out than to be ......... I have found them at times commercially acquisitive over Training and do not believe that they always serve their members' interests to the best of their ability. They are strong on firearms help to members and insurance. When I was a BDS Branch Chairman in the 1990s I was told I had more expertise on my Branch Committee than BASC's Deer Committee enjoyed between them. Publication "Shooting and Conservation" similar to "Deer but with very little science and much more advertising.

In similar vein I have been a long term supporter of the GWCT since the late 1970s; they make the research bullets for others to fire in a great many areas. From mountain and moorland management, through the woodlands and lowlands and to the streams and rivers through our countryside. Again they are a Charity but their science is generally unimpeachable being rigorously protocoled, carefully conducted, carefully written, and usually peer reviewed unlike some of the "conservation lobby" organisations. Publicaton(s) - Annual Review plus numerous scientific papers.

I am a member of the NGO which I joined when it was first formed, again partially for the insurance. They were formed in part because of problems with the Gamekeepers Welfare Trust when it was largely administered by BASC. Again they are strong on insurance, firearms advice (including foreign travel and law), and in disseminating information on diseases, on how to deal with the public and "antis", and the law on trapping/snaring and General Licences. Publication "Keeping the Balance" which is strong on applied science and advice.

I am a Countryside Alliance member of recent standing only ( a few years) and do regard their publications well. They are a membership organisation with political lobbying as one of their main raison d'être; they take this seriously, and unlike BASC, acknowledge the role of other organisations in making the bullets they fire.

The OP is a long term member of SD and must have read much about the different organisations over the years; I do not know if you were ever a deer hunter with hounds @tarponhead, I know that was an issue that caused many organisations grief, including the BDS. It also highlighted the hypocrisy of the LACS on deer welfare.

If I could only afford membership of one organisation it would remain as BDS for my stalking interests.
Many thanks, that’s a good description of much of what is out there. I was never a deer hunter with hounds and I don’t personally like hunting with dogs - tracking and picking up I get but not using dogs to kill. But I don’t denigrate others that do it ( except illegal hare coursing and badger baiting) and I understand the effectiveness of terriers for pest control. Just not my thing. That said, Im open minded enough to go along and see stuff I have no experience of if it’s legitimate and demonstrated by a competent practitioner. Like many, I have my own blind spots so the facts help me, even if they get in the way of a good story! Im suspicious of large structures with complicated committees and branch hierarchies - they feel a bit self-serving rather than membership focused, but that’s just me.
 
I’m leaning towards BDS, as I’m in probation for membership of an NRA-affiliated gun club and a long-standing NRA member for range access, so that would be deer-related issues covered, shooting sports covered. Now just need to find an alternative for legal insurance as the NGO partner are running down their cover (SxS). Maybe continuing Fieldsports Britain is a good option.
 
I’m leaning towards BDS, as I’m in probation for membership of an NRA-affiliated gun club and a long-standing NRA member for range access, so that would be deer-related issues covered, shooting sports covered. Now just need to find an alternative for legal insurance as the NGO partner are running down their cover (SxS). Maybe continuing Fieldsports Britain is a good option.
Nra does include legal cover.

Although usually you've no idea what cover you need until you need it and find out you aren't covered

 
I'm an NRA member and that comes with a fairly broad insurance package which covers taking part in, and coaching of most types of shooting not just target and includes stalking ( and relevant for me archery specifically included as I coach field archery)


I don't know how it compares but this comes free alongside bisley range access which I want anyway

I also have basc for historical reasons but am not convinced it brings anything additional any more


I kept basc last time round as belt and braces but feel that.may not carry on
NRA have an exceptional and dedicated former FEO on the team at Bisley who our club chairman couldn’t speak highly enough of having spoken to him for A&G re a member.
 
Gave up with all of them as I feel they are all way too friendly with the enemy. BASC, CA and GCWT have disgraced themselves over lead. Fieldsports Channel and proper legal expenses policy that allows access to proper lawyers with really sharp teeth.
 
I use BDS and insurance through the CPSA as I love shooting clays; well scaring them anyway when I miss. Which happens more than I like!!
 
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