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    45/70 or 30/30? Marlin

    I'm considering getting myself an under lever,
    just can't decide which cal to go for.

    It will be used for lowland woodland stalking, mainly roe, upto 100yards

    The things I want to consider are,
    cost of ammo, tho could home load
    weight
    noise
    recoil
    I would just get a 30/30 but worried it might not be up to the job if I bump into a red,
    and I might go to Europe at some point and so not sure how good it would be on boar either.

    regards
    pete

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    I'm biased and would go 45-70 in a pre-remington Marlin. It'll do anything you want from roe on up. 30-30 will do just fine but big red and boar I don't know.

    You would probably have to handload for either although 30-30 ammo would likely be easier to find.

    I have a 45-120 in a 1885 highwall. If you would like to have a go sometime pm me and we could meet so you could get a rough idea of what it's like. My cast loads are about lever action 45-70 levels.

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    Either cartridge will clobber big deer in the woods. Just look at how many North American elk and moose have been killed with both of them. The blunt, cylindrical bullets of the .30-30 have an accuracy which will surprise you, and they expand, retain weight, and are not deflected by bones; they just drill through.

    The .45-70 with a 300-gr bullet at 180-r at 1,800 to 2,000 FPS has reasonable recoil, is very accurate, and arrives with so much momentum, that it staggers game.

    My recommendation: buy the rifle which speaks to you. That might be a Marlin 336, or a Marlin 1895 with long, tapered octagon barrel, a Winchester 94 Commemorative carbine with heavy octagon barrel. They will all serve your needs. Buy the one that makes you happy use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern View Post
    Either cartridge will clobber big deer in the woods. Just look at how many North American elk and moose have been killed with both of them. The blunt, cylindrical bullets of the .30-30 have an accuracy which will surprise you, and they expand, retain weight, and are not deflected by bones; they just drill through.

    The .45-70 with a 300-gr bullet at 180-r at 1,800 to 2,000 FPS has reasonable recoil, is very accurate, and arrives with so much momentum, that it staggers game.

    My recommendation: buy the rifle which speaks to you. That might be a Marlin 336, or a Marlin 1895 with long, tapered octagon barrel, a Winchester 94 Commemorative carbine with heavy octagon barrel. They will all serve your needs. Buy the one that makes you happy use.
    Agreed. My dad shot only one moose in his life and he knocked it dead with a 30-30 -not knowing he was "undergunned"! I have killed many deer with both cartridges and at 100 yards of less wouldn't hesitate to tackle the biggest deer with either. Go to your local shop and look at the selection and price of components and see how well either can stay fed. Often the 150-170 grain Flat Point or Round nose thirty cal bullets can be found for bargain prices as they have lost favor with the high velocity crowd. Some 45 cal components are hard to get for lack of demand. No point in having a gun you can't feed.~Muir

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    You won't go wrong with a .30/30 even if you bump into a Red because I imagine that'd be pretty close!
    Have used one in the UK for the last 20 something years, it's easy to carry and as Muir said you'd find it surprisingly accurate - even with ugly flat nosed bullets!

    Have thought about the 45/70 and if I did change it'd be the Marlin Classic 1895 but so far haven't found the need.

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    I've got a marlin 1894 lever action in 44 magnum which I use mainly for fun, I've got a 243 and 270 for Deer stalking but I have often wondered about the viability of using the lever action for Roe Deer out to say 100 yards. Has anybody on the site got one (in 44 mag) on their ticket for deer I wonder?

    many thanks.
    Last edited by paultap; 28-02-2015 at 17:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cornwall Deer View Post
    I'm considering getting myself an under lever,
    just can't decide which cal to go for.

    It will be used for lowland woodland stalking, mainly roe, upto 100yards

    The things I want to consider are,
    cost of ammo, tho could home load
    weight
    noise
    recoil
    I would just get a 30/30 but worried it might not be up to the job if I bump into a red,
    and I might go to Europe at some point and so not sure how good it would be on boar either.

    regards
    pete

    I own both in Winchester lever platforms. .30-30 with leverrevolution ammunition is easily a 300 yard gun. It is very mild kicking and quite commonly used for boar in North America. I've taken moose and black bear with my .30-30 so there is no reason to believe that it wouldn't be up to the task for your reds. I like 170gr silvertips, Barnes TSX and the aforementioned leverrevolution, though standard soft points work perfectly fine. With modern loadings the .30-30 is only 100-200fps slower than the .308 cartridge (with bullets of the same weight).

    The .45-70 is a wonderful cartridge. I've used it on everything from antelope to moose. Always very little meat damage and very fast kills, especially on smaller deer. It requires a rudimentary understanding of bullet drop, but the again most cartridges require this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paultap View Post
    I've got a marlin 1894 lever action in 44 magnum which I use mainly for fun, I've got a 243 and 270 for Deer stalking but I have often wondered about the viability of using the lever action for Roe Deer out to say 100 yards. Has anybody on the site got one (in 44 mag) on their ticket for deer I wonder?

    many thanks.
    I have a Winchester in .44 Magnum and a .357. Two of my friends have a Marlin .44 Magnum, a Rossi .45 Colt, and a Ruger .44 semiauto carbine. We have all taken deer and wild boar with them. I have killed large game with my .357, up to cow elk, with one shot ( 158-gr Remington FN). All the boar shot were after a chase by dogs, so wired up and angry, but the .44s killed them on the spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paultap View Post
    I've got a marlin 1894 lever action in 44 magnum which I use mainly for fun, I've got a 243 and 270 for Deer stalking but I have often wondered about the viability of using the lever action for Roe Deer out to say 100 yards. Has anybody on the site got one (in 44 mag) on their ticket for deer I wonder?

    many thanks.
    I did have a .44rm on ticket for deer a few years back but got rid off the rifle before I actually got around to using it on anything other than targets. A 200 grn bullet at around 2,000fps meets the legal requirements for deer in E&W but obtaining suitable expanding bullets for .44 since the pistol ban is a bit of a pain in the arse quite frankly.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paultap View Post
    I've got a marlin 1894 lever action in 44 magnum which I use mainly for fun, I've got a 243 and 270 for Deer stalking but I have often wondered about the viability of using the lever action for Roe Deer out to say 100 yards. Has anybody on the site got one (in 44 mag) on their ticket for deer I wonder?

    many thanks.

    Depends on barrel length and you would have to handload but you can get over 1700 ft-lbs with 44 Magnum. Only just mind.
    If you want large deer legal with 44 Magnum recoil then go 444 Marlin and run reduced loads that are just over 44 magnum energy.

    44 Magnum works well on CWD and Muntjac though without having to stoke it up so much
    Last edited by Greener Jim; 28-02-2015 at 17:48.

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