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Thread: Using a moderator on a firearm without a variation for a moderator !

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    Using a moderator on a firearm without a variation for a moderator !

    I have done several searches, but not found anything to clarify my question.

    I know the guideline says,

    "13.79: Sound moderators should be assigned a calibre, but it is good practice to permit them to be used with more than one calibre of firearm. It is a matter for the individual shooter, subject to the “good reason” test, to decide whether to use a moderator on more than one suitable firearm or to have individual moderators for each firearm".

    If I have two rifles, say a 270, & a 308, and a variation for a moderator for the 308 only, is it legal to use that moderator on the 270, or do you still require a variation for a moderator on the 270 ?

    I will ask my FEO to clarify, but I'm curious to hear other peoples interpretation !

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    I am prety sure you need it on your FAC, but your best point of inquiry would be your FEO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyxologos View Post
    I am prety sure you need it on your FAC, but your best point of inquiry would be your FEO.
    +1

    Each rifle should be entered on the FAC with the moderator permissioning specific to that gun/calibre. Although you can, no doubt, share a moderator amongst your rifles you would need to have each rifle 'moderator legal' on the FAC to avoid breaching the law.

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    I believe as long as you have a free slot for a 270 mod you can use your 308 mod
    as a free slot is your authorisation to acquire or something to that effect

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    No such thing as a .308 moderator

    get your FEO to remove the calibre derivation and crack on

    your variation is for a moderator. The end
    what you stick it on is up to you

    its only this ridiculous system of calibre derivation that makes a mockery of the whole system

    i have two mods for 7 barrels
    both marked "full bore"
    i have one mod for 4 rimfire barrels marked "small bore"

  6. #6
    Nope

    You have permission for the rifle, and you have permission for the moderator. You can quite easily use one moderator on both rifles with only one slot for a mod.

    I have a full bore moderator for my .222 and my .243 and can use it on my air rifle if I so choose


    You do NOT need a slot for moderator on both rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual-T View Post
    +1

    Each rifle should be entered on the FAC with the moderator permissioning specific to that gun/calibre. Although you can, no doubt, share a moderator amongst your rifles you would need to have each rifle 'moderator legal' on the FAC to avoid breaching the law.
    Do you have any reference for this? Nothing in the HO Guidance or FA Acts that I am aware of that states or implies that you need a rifle conditioned for a moderator to avoid 'breaching the law', (which law?).

    Agre with Bewsher and Rake Aboot. It's the moderator that is the controlled S1 firearm component and subject to condition(s), (if any), on the FAC. Therafter you can use it on any suitable rifle on the FAC irrespective of whether you have a moderator 'slot' for the rifle or not.

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    I totally agree with you and I stand corrected but, in my defence, I had it explained to me that way by my FEO. He had construed to me that each caliber needed a slot for a moderator which was clearly wrong (and has cost me unnecessary money and admin).
    This is, however, the guy who initially turned down my application for a .243 as it was 'too large' for the land upon which I intended to shoot and I had to have a .270 instead.
    My apologies for any misinformation.

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    No sweat, but it does somewhat emphasise the fact that some FEOs are not necessarily the best source of information when it comes to firearms matters! I guess the clue is in the job title - Firearms Enquiry Officer - although some are very clued up, but even that situation might change soon with the move to shift enquiries and checks to beat coppers in the name of economy!

    Having said that, it is always a good idea to apply for moderator slots for all your rifles on application or renewal, even if you don't intend to use them. They can save you the fee for a new rifle on a one-for-one variation.
    Last edited by Orion; 09-03-2015 at 11:55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual-T View Post
    I totally agree with you and I stand corrected but, in my defence, I had it explained to me that way by my FEO. He had construed to me that each caliber needed a slot for a moderator which was clearly wrong (and has cost me unnecessary money and admin).
    This is, however, the guy who initially turned down my application for a .243 as it was 'too large' for the land upon which I intended to shoot and I had to have a .270 instead.
    My apologies for any misinformation.
    That feo obviously thinks that size matters .
    I dread to think how it's going to go when they put it all onto the average beat bobby.
    When it was done that way years ago I had to show him where the serial numbers were and he was unconvinced that some guns didn't have any. That just didn't compute in the official mind.
    "Don't say I didnae warn ye !"

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