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    Roebuck management

    Quick question for the more experienced roe stalkers please.

    I have been out spying around a fair bit recently and there are consistently two groups or roe, mixed sex on average 6 or 7 of them, sometimes more.
    They lay in up in very convenient locations stalking wise, not too difficult to get into and very safe locations.
    The common factor between the groups is there is a much larger buck in each group holding court.
    When I have spooked them it this buck who gets up first and gives the signal for the rest to go.

    The question is, do I preserve these larger bucks as they hold these groups, or is it OK to take them?
    Or would I be better off taking the occasional smaller buck while the group remains intact?
    My concern is if the larger buck is taken the group dynamic may change and they may disperse, most likely into the adjoining estate.

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    I would hazard a guess that they may well disperse naturally any day now whatever you do. Given your concern, I assume that the neighbours shoot deer too in which case you will probably get as much immigration as emigration, possibly more if your activities are less, so its swings and roundabouts.

    Only you can decide whether or not to shoot a mature buck depending on many variables such as your objectives, those of the landowner, the policy on neighbouring estates etc.

    Despite the fact that there are more deer experts than deer in this country now, the fact is that there is no right or wrong answer.

    If you fancy shooting a nice buck then go ahead. If you decide to leave them on the ground until after the rut then good on you but don't be disappointed if you never see them again.

    If you are only planning to shoot one buck this year then make it special, take a friend or child if appropriate, do it as a DSC2 stalk, if you've already shot plenty then let someone else take the shot etc.

    The point I'm trying to make is that, in my opinion, too many recreational stalkers get bogged down in pseudo 'management' and forget to enjoy the experience!
    Last edited by Glyn 1; 07-04-2015 at 13:50.

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    I totally agree with everything glynn1 says .I personaly would take a couple of youngsters or poorer quality animals first which are going to be pushed out of the area anyway then you decide if you want to stalk and shoot a good buck which you would remember

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    These groups will start to break up any day now,Doe's and Bucks have different territories though they will overlap.

    An older Buck will do less fraying than a young Buck so that may be a consideration if you are concerned about damage, shooting an older Buck may cause an influx of young Bucks and an increase in damage as they compete with each other to establish territories.

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    News from the front is although still there the group has started to open up a little already.
    So I took what I could, dropped a small roebuck and the bonus muntjac that was stood next to him
    And yes I enjoyed the experience.

    I was going to go for 397.5 yrd neck, shot but used a bit of field-craft to get in to about 70 yards instead

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    That was foolish you should have backed off 2.5 yards and went for a straight 400

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    397.5 neck shot ,you must be some shot no room for error there then .!!

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    Hard call. Shooting a dominant buck can cause several smaller bucks to occupy the same territory and compete for it-this can lead to excess fraying. I was in a similar position a couple of mornings ago, largish family group consisting of a few does a small buck and a bigger one. The wee buck got the bad news, and that would be the preference for me at this time of year.

    the groups will disperse soon anyway, the big bucks will see of the young bucks so they will likely find a corner somewhere off his territory, maybe off your ground, so hence they are not bad ones to take on that account-equally you may 'inherit' a few. It's always a fascinating time of year as the group dynamics change day by day and you see all sorts of beasts coming out of the woodwork.
    Last edited by JH83; 08-04-2015 at 21:54.

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    It is, I can't lie I have enjoyed watching them just as much as stalking into them.
    The owners of the adjoining land should be concerned about tree damage, although they don't seem to be, but the main concern on my land is keeping the numbers down to a sensible level so as not to disrupt game shooting during the season.
    The balance I am looking to maintain is continued sport for me, but keeping below nuisance levels for the shoot.

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    too many stalkers get bogged down in pseudo 'management' and forget that they are not the only ones "managing" those deer!
    Whatever plan you may have for your deer unless you are controlling a captive population on a fixed area someone else is incorporating that same buck in their "plan"!!
    Too many big bucks that are left by some will be shot by others.

    The greedy would say shoot them before someone else does
    The true managers would always try to preserve the best examples within any population

    the beauty of it is it is all up to you!
    Last edited by bewsher500; 10-04-2015 at 08:46.

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