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    muntie management

    inspired by the thread on head shooting a trophy i thought i would start one on management, miss management or just shooting in general.
    i shoot a few bits of ground for muntjac and on the whole have a shoot on sight policy. i have shot muntjac for approx 5 years stalking on average 3 or 4 times a month so some expierience but by no means an expert.
    It seems to me that other people feel that the shoot on sight policy is wrong and that a more measured approach gives a more effective population control strategy or damage limitation strategy etc.
    The only muntjac specific book that i'm aware of basically proposes a shoot on sight policy. people who i know through stalking that shoot munties, as far as i'm aware, shoot on sight. what strategies and rationales do other people use in the management (through shooting) of munties

    pete

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    There is only one real authority on Muntjac and who has 1st hand knowledge of them and that is Norma Chapman

    Monks Wood is a good example of how a wood can be turned around.

    Shoot on sight is the key and I defy anyone to be able to tell the differance between a a doe that is not pregnant and one that is heavily pregnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    There is only one real authority on Muntjac and who has 1st hand knowledge of them and that is Norma Chapman

    Monks Wood is a good example of how a wood can be turned around.

    Shoot on sight is the key and I defy anyone to be able to tell the differance between a a doe that is not pregnant and one that is heavily pregnant.
    Totally agree!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    There is only one real authority on Muntjac and who has 1st hand knowledge of them and that is Norma Chapman

    Monks Wood is a good example of how a wood can be turned around.

    Shoot on sight is the key and I defy anyone to be able to tell the differance between a a doe that is not pregnant and one that is heavily pregnant.
    Storm -

    Norma C., much respected in this household, does not have the monopoly of first hand knowedge. If you are interested in extending your library on muntjac, may I recommend Charles Smith-Jones, Managing An Alien Species?

    Monks Wood was indeed turned around.

    As someone who shoots between 30 and 50 muntjac in an average year - 90% of them does - I'd agree that it's a challenge at first to single out the heavily pregnant ones. However, one gets better at it as time goes by, and not at the expense of orphaned youngsters if one slows up and takes a good look first. I found that they don't shoot back and if I passed up a ringer for being culled, it would be there next time and I would be more discerning. That's not to claim that I've not made mistakes and lost sleep...
    KevinF -

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    Charles wrote a very good book I got to read it before it when to print and had a signed copy hot off the press.

    By his own admission and all the acknowledgements in the front Charles would be the first to point out he recieved a lot of help with his book and did not have that much 1st hand knowledge of managing Muntjac.

    It was a well over due book and hopefully has gone a long way to stop Muntjac being considered as vermin.

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    As someone who shoots between 30 and 50 muntjac in an average year - 90% of them does - I'd agree that it's a challenge at first to single out the heavily pregnant ones. However, one gets better at it as time goes by, and not at the expense of orphaned youngsters if one slows up and takes a good look first. I found that they don't shoot back and if I passed up a ringer for being culled, it would be there next time and I would be more discerning. That's not to claim that I've not made mistakes and lost sleep...[/QUOTE]

    Kevinf

    is this ratio of m to f planned and if so what is your strategy? do you leave older bucks with a view to them staking territory and keeping other bucks out? do you keep bucks for clients? or is it just the ratios your seeing? I suspect my ratios are more 50/50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post


    Shoot on sight is the key and I defy anyone to be able to tell the differance between a a doe that is not pregnant and one that is heavily pregnant.
    okay
    i am surprised a little by that comment but will play your game,
    where do i sign up for the challenge
    i presume your ground and i will need to shoot a few to proove if i am right or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post

    It was a well over due book and hopefully has gone a long way to stop Muntjac being considered as vermin.
    + 1 on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by stone View Post
    + 1 on that
    yes, i have this book also, good read. regarding the identification of pregnancy status of muntie i kind of agree with both arguments, sometimes it appears obvious sometimes very tricky to tell. i dont use the buttolo much these days for the munties as i have found that it tends to attract lactating does.

    pete

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    We shoot around 300 a year and the ratio of buck/doe cull is around 60/40.

    I think this is due to when a buck and doe are seen together the buck normally gets shot first.

    Even with a shoot on sight cull plan the ground still produces medal class heads each year many of the older animals with the better heads have never been seen before.

    I have shot very skinny does that have large 12"+ foetus and very fat looking does with no foetus.

    The above coupled with the small size of a muntjac which means that for most of the year the height of cover provided by even a grass ride makes it impossible to reliably determine the pregnancy state of a Muntjac doe.
    Last edited by Storm; 04-04-2010 at 18:57.

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