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Thread: Is there really any need for a 12 Bore...?

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    Is there really any need for a 12 Bore...?

    Red hot day here in Central Scotland today sat under a tree with my three Chessies with my wee 28G o/u and 28 gramme No6 shot and a woodie came towards us and i dropped it at a LRF 65 yards. So fast, so pointable, so accurate so has 12G now had its day when little bores now pack the same punch without the weight?

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    How much does your 28bore weigh?
    It's clearly been very carefully regulated to produce consistent pigeon-kiling patterns from an ounce of 6's at 65yds!
    Last edited by Dalua; 25-05-2015 at 18:29.

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    Poor pigeon must have had a heart attack seeing you out and about with a girls gun......
    For Gods sake - don't tell her how much I've spent

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    As far as traditional game, grouse and walked up guns go, you may well be correct. The performance is certainly there and a lot of people now seem to chose 20s on the little syndicate I beat on, and one bloke has had some success with a 28.

    However, there is now a trend towards higher birds, where long barelled, reasonably weighty 12s coupled with a substantial amount of shot seem to be favoured. I would also suggest that a 12 of around 7.5lbs is the best tool as a clay gun, especially if you want to put 28gram loads through it. That could become a little uncomfortable through a 28, or even a 20 if you wish to shoot 100 bird courses every weekend or shoot a large day on pigeons.

    It is also worth considering that a gun which you want to shoot wildfowl with needs to be able to handle a reasonable load of steel shot, another area where a 12 has an edge, this may become more of a factor in the future if lead is ever banned as well. Therefore, on balance, as an all rounder, the 12 is still best, but if you only shoot walked up days or a few pigeon for the pot, there is much to be said for a 28 or a 20.

    A lot of the 20 bore o/u guns are actually much the same weight as the traditional s/s 12 anyway, so that may go some way towards explaining the popularity of the smaller bores.

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    As Clarkson would say POWER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hereford View Post
    Poor pigeon must have had a heart attack seeing you out and about with a girls gun......

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    People buy a 20 bore want to shoot equivalent 12 bore loads in it 20 bore cartridges more expensive where is the sense

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    When down in Devon loading for a gentleman on the shoot at Covelly, i saw a guy cleanly killing pheasants so high you nearly needed bino's to see if they were cocks or hens.

    Jesus could he shoot that little 28 and at a cartridge ratio of 1 3/4 -1 which on high peasant is just about as good as it gets in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leec6.5 View Post
    When down in Devon loading for a gentleman on the shoot at Covelly, i saw a guy cleanly killing pheasants so high you nearly needed bino's to see if they were cocks or hens.

    Jesus could he shoot that little 28 and at a cartridge ratio of 1 3/4 -1 which on high peasant is just about as good as it gets in my opinion.
    Sounds like remarkable shooting, but we need to keep in mind that Payne-Gallwey's recipe for high pheasants was a 28g load of 7s. You couldn't have done that with a 28bore in those days (nor would anyone have wanted to), but you can now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by african jack View Post
    People buy a 20 bore want to shoot equivalent 12 bore loads in it 20 bore cartridges more expensive where is the sense
    +1. And when lead shot is banned.............

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