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Thread: Loading cast bullets for 22 hornet

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    Loading cast bullets for 22 hornet

    Ok guys I will be casting for my 22hornet, will be using gas checks I know i need to expand the necks to allow the head to start, question is do I then run them through the sizer to close the necks again ????
    Cheers
    Ray

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    No the bullet seating die will close up the flare.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 View Post
    No the bullet seating die will close up the flare.
    Thanks for that was a bit worried about bullet heads falling out of the cases also maybe crimping to tight and ending up with dangerous pressures
    Cheers
    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray7756 View Post
    Thanks for that was a bit worried about bullet heads falling out of the cases also maybe crimping to tight and ending up with dangerous pressures
    Cheers
    Ray
    Why would the BULLETS fall out of the necks?? How much of a flare do you plan on putting on the case mouths? It should be only just enough to allow the full length of the gas check to sear below the case mouth. The Lee Universal Expander Die is excellent for placing a gentle flare on the case mouths.

    Crimp all you want. Unless you are loading an insane load you won't get any appreciable rise in pressure if the bullet is the proper fit.

    Which reminds me, what do you plan on for loads?~Muir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muir View Post
    Why would the BULLETS fall out of the necks?? How much of a flare do you plan on putting on the case mouths? It should be only just enough to allow the full length of the gas check to sear below the case mouth. The Lee Universal Expander Die is excellent for placing a gentle flare on the case mouths.

    Crimp all you want. Unless you are loading an insane load you won't get any appreciable rise in pressure if the bullet is the proper fit.

    Which reminds me, what do you plan on for loads?~Muir

    This is my first time reloading in nearly 20 years, hence the daft questions, better to ask daft questions than have an accident, as to the loads i will use the Lyman cast bullet handbook loads to start with, for 44grn and 55grn cast bullets, both weights get best results with H110 powder, and no mention of lilgun powder ???
    any sugestions would be welcome
    will check out the Lee expander
    Cheers
    Ray
    Last edited by Ray7756; 02-07-2015 at 20:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray7756 View Post
    This is my first time reloading in nearly 20 years, hence the daft questions, better to ask daft questions than have an accident, as to the loads i will use the Lyman cast bullet handbook loads to start with, for 44grn and 55grn cast bullets, both weights get best results with H110 powder, and no mention of lilgun powder ???
    any sugestions would be welcome
    will check out the Lee expander
    Cheers
    Ray
    Lil Gun is a very low pressure powder. I would try 10.0 of Lil Gun with the 44 grain and see what happens. Remember: It's not velocity that limits cast bullet performance, it's pressure. Run the pressures up past the yield strength of the alloy and it will lead regardless of the velocity. Just a peek at any reloading manual will show that pressure and velocity are not linked hand in hand. It is very possible to have high pressures and low velocities -which is a bad combo for cast bullets.

    So a few further questions: What alloy? What diameter? What rifle? ~Muir

    PS: I have been shooting cast bullets for just under 4 decades and the Lee Universal is the best expander on the market. Works well on jacketed bullets as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muir View Post
    Lil Gun is a very low pressure powder. I would try 10.0 of Lil Gun with the 44 grain and see what happens. Remember: It's not velocity that limits cast bullet performance, it's pressure. Run the pressures up past the yield strength of the alloy and it will lead regardless of the velocity. Just a peek at any reloading manual will show that pressure and velocity are not linked hand in hand. It is very possible to have high pressures and low velocities -which is a bad combo for cast bullets.

    So a few further questions: What alloy? What diameter? What rifle? ~Muir

    PS: I have been shooting cast bullets for just under 4 decades and the Lee Universal is the best expander on the market. Works well on jacketed bullets as well.
    Alloy is 90% pure lead 5% Tin 5% Antimony, same mix as Lyman #2 alloy
    rifle CZ 527 American, dia .224 but havnt slugged the barrel yet
    cheers
    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray7756 View Post
    Alloy is 90% pure lead 5% Tin 5% Antimony, same mix as Lyman #2 alloy
    rifle CZ 527 American, dia .224 but havnt slugged the barrel yet
    cheers
    Ray
    I suspect two things: You won't be able to snug the bullet nose into the rifling on the CZ and the bullet, in general, will be undersized.

    Cast bullet shooting is the almost the only time I care abut the distance to the lands. I have found best performance with the nose snugged into the lands. Diameter is another subject. .224" may shoot just fine. It would be better to load .225" at least, I believe. Slugging the bore and throat will be beneficial.~Muir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muir View Post
    I suspect two things: You won't be able to snug the bullet nose into the rifling on the CZ and the bullet, in general, will be undersized.

    Cast bullet shooting is the almost the only time I care abut the distance to the lands. I have found best performance with the nose snugged into the lands. Diameter is another subject. .224" may shoot just fine. It would be better to load .225" at least, I believe. Slugging the bore and throat will be beneficial.~Muir
    Rechecked the mould and sizing dies, they are .225 luckily just waiting on the tin and antimony arriving

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