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    Police firearms with under powered binoculars

    Greetings all!

    read in the Metro this morning, and frankly I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned it sooner about the GMP sniper team, providing surveillance support for the Tory conference

    http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...ce--ZkCOo_TXDg

    I can imagine the chief constable for GMP is sitting in his office holding his head in his hands, I quote

    "And they [the guns] are used for their powerful sight, which is stronger than any pair of binoculars. They are not there to shoot people"

    SO what you are saying is we (GMP) advocate firearms officers using the rifle scope (which is attached to the rifle) as an observational tool?????

    I hope to god that the spokesman is taken out of context!

    I weep I truly do.

    What do we think people??
    You live and learn........
    .........or you don't live long

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    in a military and I would assume Police role the marksman/rifleman's primary optical aid is the rifle sight for observation and spotting in most situations, the spotter on the other hand for sniper roles has more of a responsibility to locate, spot and call the shots with bins or spotting scope.

    There's no benefit spotting a threat with binoculars as the marksman to then have to revert to the rifle sight and re-aquire the threat, especially in a fluid situation where that moment of switch could loose the target. The spotter though if identifying would guide the marksman to the target.

    edit, we all know not to point our sporting rifle at something unless we intent to shoot it because that's our sporting etiquette. But operationally firearms officers need to point the rifle at anything that may be a threat to them or people they are their to protect.
    Last edited by Paul at Fechan; 06-10-2015 at 16:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul at Fechan View Post
    in a military and I would assume Police role the marksman/rifleman's primary optical aid is the rifle sight for observation and spotting in most situations, the spotter on the other hand for sniper roles has more of a responsibility to locate, spot and call the shots with bins or spotting scope.

    There's no benefit spotting a threat with binoculars as the marksman to then have to revert to the rifle sight and re-aquire the threat, especially in a fluid situation where that moment of switch could loose the target. The spotter though if identifying would guide the marksman to the target.
    What he said! Excellent post from Paul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh6 View Post
    They couldn't give a toss what your FEO would say 99.9% of firearms officers don't even have a Licence to worry about anyway. And who said the snipers rifle was loaded and made ready? From experience doing the exact job as mentioned the charged magazine would be at the side of the rifle ready to insert or inserted and bolt closed on an empty chamber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wingy View Post
    They couldn't give a toss what your FEO would say 99.9% of firearms officers don't even have a Licence to worry about anyway. And who said the snipers rifle was loaded and made ready? From experience doing the exact job as mentioned the charged magazine would be at the side of the rifle ready to insert or inserted and bolt closed on an empty chamber
    Things must have changed since I jacked the job in Martin. We both did the same training, but the policy of our department was ALWAYS to have weapons fully loaded and ready when deployed. Of course, as you know, every force has different rules which they change like the wind when a new boss comes along!

    Anyway, I trust you are keeping well and we should have a catch up some time mate.

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    I don't see what all the fuss is about I've never heard of a police marksman accidentally shooting someone I'd much prefer all police armed just in case

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey jake View Post
    I don't see what all the fuss is about I've never heard of a police marksman accidentally shooting someone I'd much prefer all police armed just in case
    Not sure about that. Do we really want to see all our Police armed? There would likely be a lot more people shot by them.
    So much to learn and so little time left

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey jake View Post
    I don't see what all the fuss is about I've never heard of a police marksman accidentally shooting someone I'd much prefer all police armed just in case
    shakey google gmp firearms officer shoots other officer ,2008
    Last edited by AN DU RU FOX; 06-10-2015 at 17:50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AN DU RU FOX View Post
    shakey google gmp firearms officer shoots other officer ,2008
    Oh yes he deliberately went out to shoot another officer..NOT!
    That was a training exercise where Tez (RIP) was playing the role of an armed criminal and xxxxxx was put in a situation where he did exactly what would have been expected and justified in a real life scenario. Using a special type of ammunition that was designed to shoot tyres out (which was the role of xxxxxx) however he reacted to a more imminent threat!!

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