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Thread: Open ticket, but what about 'Target shooting'??

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    Open ticket, but what about 'Target shooting'??

    I have an 'Open ticket' obviously allowing me to shoot on land I deem suitable, BUT does this allow me to target shoot at a local club which is in the process of setting up a rimfire range?
    I know that if you have a ticket which states 'Target shooting' you are not allowed to then hunt with your rifle, but is it the same the other way round.
    Just to be clear, I will not do anything until I am 110% certain of the law, but see no harm in asking the question on here in the first instance

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    Mine states (after deer, vermin etc) "and for zeroing on ranges or land on which the holder has lawful authority to shoot".

    So if your wording is similar, and you're "zeroing" and have authority, I reckon that makes it ok.

    And I reckon if you were to make a habit of it and/or spend hours and hours doing it, and certainly if you compete..... that's probably beyond "zeroing".

    But none of this constitutes advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packrat View Post
    Mine states (after deer, vermin etc) "and for zeroing on ranges or land on which the holder has lawful authority to shoot".

    So if your wording is similar, and you're "zeroing" and have authority, I reckon that makes it ok.

    And I reckon if you were to make a habit of it and/or spend hours and hours doing it, and certainly if you compete..... that's probably beyond "zeroing".

    But none of this constitutes advice.
    Mine states "Shall be used for the lawful shooting of vermin, ground game, fox and for zeroing on suitable land over which the certificate holder has authority to shoot"

    So i'm assuming I would need to have an additional condition of 'Target shooting', as there is no mention of 'Ranges'?? Is there a specific point that you cease to be 'Zeroing' and you become 'Target shooting' or is this a bit of a grey area?? At the risk of sounding stupid, I have never had any dealings with clubs/target shooting, so have never needed to know any of this.

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    It's certainly a grey area in my head. That's one for your FEO I think, or Mike at BASC.

    You could argue that a range is 'land over which you have authority to shoot' (assuming you do), but I wouldn't fancy testing that with her majesty. Especially since my own conditions indicate that a phrase exists purely for that purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packrat View Post
    It's certainly a grey area in my head. That's one for your FEO I think, or Mike at BASC.

    You could argue that a range is 'land over which you have authority to shoot' (assuming you do), but I wouldn't fancy testing that with her majesty. Especially since my own conditions indicate that a phrase exists purely for that purpose.
    Exactly my thinking, I'll give F.E.O. a bell and let you know what he says.

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    You will need to apply for target shooting to be added to your FAC as it will need a separate condition for target shooting.

    Mine reads:
    5. The FIREARMS, SOUND MODERATORS and ammunition shall be used for target shooting only whilst a member of THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION or other Home Office approved Rifle and/or Muzzle Loading Pistol Club, on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim.

    This is in addition to the "AOLQ and zeroing" conditions for my rifles which are 6. and 7.

    Hope this helps

    Cheers
    iain
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    Quote Originally Posted by I. Farticus View Post
    You will need to apply for target shooting to be added to your FAC as it will need a separate condition for target shooting.

    Mine reads:
    5. The FIREARMS, SOUND MODERATORS and ammunition shall be used for target shooting only whilst a member of THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION or other Home Office approved Rifle and/or Muzzle Loading Pistol Club, on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim.

    This is in addition to the "AOLQ and zeroing" conditions for my rifles which are 6. and 7.

    Hope this helps

    Cheers
    iain
    Now you say this, I recall speaking with my FEO a good while back and him saying it was fine to zero at e.g. Bisley and a local club, but not if it was target shooting and not too often. The implication was that unless it was very obviously target shooting it could be considered zeroing. So the odd trip to the range would be fine, but if target shooting is going to be "a thing" for you, you'd definitely need it on your ticket.

    I visit Bisley just 2 or 3 times a year (to zero ) , so my FEO said I really don't need it on my ticket. But I guess they put the bit about "on ranges..." in there because of me mentioning I wanted to do it.

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    All very helpful, cheers chaps, I've left a message for my F.E.O. and i'm just waiting for him to get back to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by packrat View Post
    Now you say this, I recall speaking with my FEO a good while back and him saying it was fine to zero at e.g. Bisley and a local club, but not if it was target shooting and not too often. The implication was that unless it was very obviously target shooting it could be considered zeroing. So the odd trip to the range would be fine, but if target shooting is going to be "a thing" for you, you'd definitely need it on your ticket.

    I visit Bisley just 2 or 3 times a year (to zero ) , so my FEO said I really don't need it on my ticket. But I guess they put the bit about "on ranges..." in there because of me mentioning I wanted to do it.
    I target shoot, so needed the condition. If just zeroing, then the usual conditions are sufficient. Be aware that expanding ammo is frowned upon on MOD ranges, so be careful even when zeroing as they can get chippy
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    I'm sure FEOs are more than happy to give their interpretation on the law but you might as well go to the Home Office guidance and read it for yourself because nothing they stipulate has any authority unless it is clear in law or written in black and white on your certificate and signed by the main man.

    You are not prohibited from target shooting. How can you be if what you need to shoot at to zero your rifle is a target? What if you want to check the point of impact from different positions on a buck target? Your trajectory and point of impact at different distances with a 4 inch circle target? It can all be done under the zeroing condition. There is a difference between this and competitions which would not be within the zeroing condition. This is why wording of branch range days don't say competition.
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