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    "Swing off mounts?"

    Yesterday I bought a nice Mauser.Now I am after some quick detachable mounts,sadly I don't know the correct term for them or where to start looking.I would like the ability to quickly remove the scope and use open sights.

    Here is a picture of the Rifle I would like some for.I suppose being a largely European invention,I would likely find a pair that would suit a 30mm scope tube rather than a 1"?

    As its a vintage Rifle,a used pair of rings and bases on a Steel tube scope would be what I am after.
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    Try Alan Rhone. (I think that's the name, anyway).
    There was a demo rifle at the North Wales Talking Stalking evening last year that had their quick detach scope mount system on it. Pretty impressive, and no loss of zero.

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    Thank you for your help.I think the system is pretty common on the continent,not sure the exact term they use for the system though.

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    Hi There,

    That's almost for sure an oberndorf sporter pre-war type A, maybe type B, what does the side of the action inscription say? The rounded pistol grip is a dead giveaway along with the strengthened sidewalls of the stock.

    Whatever you do, don't start customising it or messing with it as it's a collectors piece.

    The bolt however is not original and is a Zastava/Interarms bolt, looks like FN of course, but Interarms usually did checkering on top of the knob, FN did not I'm pretty sure.

    An original with all original parts should be worth between 1000 and 2000.

    What I would do if I was you is purchase an orberndorf bolt handle from Duane Wiebe and have it laser welded properly to restore the oberndorf original look, and blue the bolt entirely too which would have been the original finish. I suspect the bolt is a bit sloppy in the action in comparison to what the original bolt would have been, but what you can do to correct that a lot is a new extractor claw which does not curve inwards 1/3 back from the front of the extractor/bolt face, the all square side extractor will sit tight in the RHS of the rear receiver bridge and really firm up the bolt cycling.

    Do not grind off the rear receiver bridge stripper clip/charger hump, but instead find a rear base which works with an 'unmodified' rear bridge.

    I as well would measure the spacings of the drill/tap holes and order either Recknagel eramatics or EAW(Apel) quick detach pivot mounts. You want the rear to be dovetailed (14mm I think), which you can get for unmodified rear bridges for the M98, and then a front pivot/swing off mount.

    Is it 7x57, 8x57 or 9.3x57/62?

    congrats on the fine rifle by the way. I suspect if it has the original rear sights it's a ladder/tangent type in a band?

    photo's? :-)

    There are two types of shooters - the fulfilled and successful ones - with a 7 X 57 and those poor souls who have not yet decided to get one!

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    Erwin at Alan Rhone is very helpful, and incredibly knowledgeable.

    I have Recknagel swing off mounts on my side by side rifle. They are well made, & expensive, and whilst I've never had an issue shooting driven boar, I'm not certain just how consistent they would be on a stalking rifle, shooting out to say 250m.

    I wanted removable mounts for a Merkel Helix I've just got, and "Orion" on here mentioned a make called Ziegler. I had a chat with Erwin, and he said the Ziegler mounts are VERY consistent, so I've gone with those. That said, they are frighteningly expensive for a set of mounts

    http://www.alanrhone.com/contact.html


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    Also consider leupolds and talley, not high end, but do the job and won't cost you 750 euros!

    There are two types of shooters - the fulfilled and successful ones - with a 7 X 57 and those poor souls who have not yet decided to get one!

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    Lovely. What chambering?

    Since it has already been drilled and tapped for scope bases, the first thing is to figure out what kind of bases. These look like something post-war, although the rifle is of 1920s design. The bolt may be original, but bent for a scope , flattened and checkered. Later bolt handles on some Mausers came flatted and checkered on the bottom side. I will look at it closer, later on.

    Measure the hole spacing. All the postwar American bases pretty much have the same spacing, so you can remove a Redfield one-piece base and replace it with a Leupold dual dovetail or Weaver. Likewise, the Warnes, coming later, use the same spacing.

    None of these are vintage to the era of the rifle, but vintage as in 60 years old - still good.

    It should have a straight ramp front sight and a two leaf rear. I have lots of pictures of untouched ones and restored Type A and Type B ( and F and G ) Mausers.

    The cheapest set to try would be Weavers. Vintage rings would be the steel strap rings by Weaver ( still make them) with the thumb / coin screws. If you put them on the steel Warne bases, no one would know, and the look would be good. A steel tube blue Weaver K4 or K6, or an older 26mm tube Zeiss or Kahles from the 1950s or 1960s would look right at home on it, too.

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    Thank you for all your replies and kind help.The Rifle in chambered in 6.5X55 Swedish.I bought it close to Norways boarder with Sweden.

    There is a replaced segment on the stock to the right side of the receiver and two very well done (almost undetectable) plugs in the right side of the receiver.Suggesting perhaps that it once sported a receiver mounted sight.There was a discussion on another forum regarding this rifle,I dont know the rules regarding linking to other sites so I will just say they concluded the Rifle was made in about 1919 by a company in Efurt Germany.The serial numbers are consistant through out the Rifle,Floor plate,bolt,receiver,safety etc

    I like Southerns suggestion of simple mounts but I really lean towards detachable mounts due to my desire to hunt Reindeer and that can and does involve snow storms which can render scopes useless in moments.Whipping of the Scope and using Irons is a advantage,even with Roe Deer hunting in Sweden when the weather goes from mild to wild in a short period of time.There are two holes on the Barrel that have screws in them I will use to mount a rear sight,I have one suitable in my box of "treasures".

    The bore is in pretty decent nick,a bit of frosting on the lands,the proof is in the shooting.Its just a nice old Rifle I will use for hunting at medium ranges.I paid about 250 for it.
    Last edited by norsk; 26-10-2015 at 05:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKL View Post
    Also consider leupolds and talley, not high end, but do the job and won't cost you 750 euros!
    I tried the Leupolds, fine if you just leave the scope on, but useless if using as intended, with very poor repeatability. Would be ok for 50m boar, but I wouldn't trust them for 100m +. I haven't tried the Tally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norsk View Post
    Thank you for all your replies and kind help.The Rifle in chambered in 6.5X55 Swedish.I bought it close to Norways boarder with Sweden.

    There is a replaced segment on the stock to the right side of the receiver and two very well done (almost undetectable) plugs in the right side of the receiver.Suggesting perhaps that it once sported a receiver mounted sight.There was a discussion on another forum regarding this rifle,I dont know the rules regarding linking to other sites so I will just say they concluded the Rifle was made in about 1919 by a company in Efurt Germany.The serial numbers are consistant through out the Rifle,Floor plate,bolt,receiver,safety etc

    I like Southerns suggestion of simple mounts but I really lean towards detachable mounts due to my desire to hunt Reindeer and that can and does involve snow storms which can render scopes useless in moments.Whipping of the Scope and using Irons is a advantage,even with Roe Deer hunting in Sweden when the weather goes from mild to wild in a short period of time.There are two holes on the Barrel that have screws in them I will use to mount a rear sight,I have one suitable in my box of "treasures".

    The bore is in pretty decent nick,a bit of frosting on the lands,the proof is in the shooting.Its just a nice old Rifle I will use for hunting at medium ranges.I paid about 250 for it.
    Could hardly see it for the engraving, but yes, it's a small ring mauser which therefore might make it an erfurt, still, with an interarms bolt most likely. You'll therefore have, I suspect, a small ring large shank barrel as most erfurts I've seen were large shank.

    the cutting and filling on the RHS of the stock is quite large, might have been accidental damage and stock splitting that happened when it was inlet for a side mount on the RHS, as there were not RH sidemounts used of that magnitude. The oversize repair job was most likely to ensure all ends of the damage were secured from further 'runs'.

    No leupolds are not reliable for return to zero, talley are within 1 moa but still not good enough to rely on for smaller game with more precise shot requirements. pivot mounts are pretty darn good from eaw and recknagle, and perfect fit clawmounts are the best by far..but, as with ALL QD mounts, you simply cannot and should not rely on them to A. always keep zero, and B. Return to zero.

    In my book, QD mounts are for removing scope when really necessary, and once scope is re-fitted (at least on bolt action CF's'), you should expect to control shoot it to check zero.

    For DG hunting, it is of course well known that the QD system should be removable very swiftly and only using one hand whilst holding the rifle in the other and getting ready for a shot..you may be in a hunting situation where having to fiddle with levers on the wrong side of your dominant hand or multiple levers is nothing but dangerous.

    The ziegler kontramount is well made, but personally I find it very ugly and also the scope tips backwards, so with a big bolt shrould like that on a classic M98 (domed), you might find that the bolt has to come out before the scopes ocular bell housing can tip down far enough,,and to me, that's just a complete joke and a no no no area.

    Best QD mounts I've come across are the one's built into DSB's by Joe Smithson, esp. with the single release button on the rear ring only...that said, just the rings are about a grand in the white ;-)

    There are two types of shooters - the fulfilled and successful ones - with a 7 X 57 and those poor souls who have not yet decided to get one!

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