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    Not registered with Dr

    Apologies if this has been covered before.

    I was having a beer with a mate of mine last night. He had recently been issued with the Renewal of his coterminous FAC SGC. Yesterday he received a letter from the old bill advising that they had been in touch with his Drs Surgery and they had said he was not registered there.

    My mate said he hadn't been to the Doctor for the last 20 years but that was where he was last registered.

    (It is interesting to note they clearly issued the renewal before they heard back from the Dr)

    He has been given 14 days to sort it out.!!

    Does anyone know, is it a legal requirement to be registered with a Dr if you wish to apply/reapply for an FAC/SGC?

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    I believe you need to be - section 10.2 onwards

    10.20

    The application form for firearm certificates require the applicant to give permission for the
    police to approach the applicant’s General Practitioner (GP), who should be registered
    in the UK, in order to obtain factual details of the applicant’s medical history so far as it
    relates to the safe possession of firearms. There are a small number of applicants who
    are not registered with a GP in the UK
    1
    . If an applicant does not have a GP in the UK they
    do not fulfil the criteria to be issued with a firearm certificate as they cannot complete the
    application form.
    10.21
    There is no requirement for a GP to monitor or assess a patient who currently holds a
    firearm certificate, though there is a duty for a doctor to disclose information where they
    believe the patient may present a risk of death or serious harm to themselves or another.
    10.22
    GPs should not be asked to give general access to applicants’ medical records or to offer
    an opinion on any of the medical information given. In particular, GPs should not be asked
    to either endorse or oppose applications, though it is open to them to do so.
    10.23
    Chief officers of police may reach their own conclusions as to the significance of the
    information supplied, based on their own knowledge and experience, but may wish to
    seek advice from the force medical officer where available in cases where the medical
    information supplied is difficult to understand, or where its significance in terms of the
    possession of firearms is unclear. Any final decision as to the applicant’s fitness, whether
    on medical or other grounds, should be taken by the properly authorised officer in the
    usual way.
    10.24
    Once the applicant’s consent is given, it is open to the police to approach the applicant’s
    GP at any time during the life of the certificate if there are concerns about the applicant’s
    continued fitness to possess firearms.
    10.25
    It is also open to a GP to approach the police at any time in order to pass on information
    of possible concern about an individual, whether a patient or not, who possesses firearms
    or is applying to do so. Clearly, the GP would have to be satisfied that their public duty
    to express their concerns outweighed the normal requirements of patient confidentiality.
    The point of initial contact in any such cases will probably be either the firearms licensing
    department, who will know how best to respond to the information provided, or the force
    medical officer (where available). It may be necessary in some cases where uncertainty
    remains over the significance of the GP’s concern for arrangements to be made for the
    firearms licensing manager to speak to another GP or specialist, who may be able to
    offer advice

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by redlab View Post
    I believe you need to be - section 10.2 onwards

    10.20

    The application form for firearm certificates require the applicant to give permission for the police to approach the applicant’s General Practitioner (GP), who should be registered in the UK, in order to obtain factual details of the applicant’s medical history so far as it relates to the safe possession of firearms.

    There are a small number of applicants who
    are not registered with a GP in the UK.

    If an applicant does not have a GP in the UK they do not fulfil the criteria to be issued with a firearm certificate as they cannot complete the application form.
    The opening paragraph covers it. No check can be made on anyone without a recent medical history.

    What must have happened is that the 'alert' marker of an FAC/SGC holder has been sent to his GP on Renewal, and the surgery have tried to apply it to his patient record which is probably still paper-based ... so non-existent.
    Last edited by Sinistral; 09-11-2015 at 14:26.
    If I'm going to be accused of it then it's just as well I did it.

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    [QUOTE=Sinistral;1038691]The opening paragraph covers it. No check can be made on anyone without a recent medical history.

    Interesting stuff. Thanks.

    So in essence what we are saying is that even if someone needs no medical attention, a certificate holder would be best advised to waste scarce NHS resources and vista a GP now and again in order of an audit trail to exist?

    Just so I have it clear..

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    [QUOTE=Ade8mm;1038729]
    Quote Originally Posted by Sinistral View Post
    The opening paragraph covers it. No check can be made on anyone without a recent medical history.

    Interesting stuff. Thanks.

    So in essence what we are saying is that even if someone needs no medical attention, a certificate holder would be best advised to waste scarce NHS resources and vista a GP now and again in order of an audit trail to exist?

    Just so I have it clear..
    No, you must be registered with one though.

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    Hi Mike

    This particular individual was registered. He certainly never de-registered. It appeared they took him off their register as he must have been too healthy!

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    Cynically, of no financial benefit to the Practice?

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    Surgeries do that these days. If they haven't heard from you for a period, (don't know how long) especially if they have things such as "well man clinics" which they send you letters about and you don't feel the need to go to, they knock you off their list. Happened to me. Fit as a fiddle for ages. Last time I'd been to the doctors was for a rugby injury and then when I was 56 I needed an appointment, only to be told I'm not on their books! Had to re-register with them. Since then, I seem never to be away. All they do is find stuff wrong with me!

    Thankfully I'd re-registered before the certificate renewal process included the doctor business.

  9. #9
    Once upon a time GPs were paid a capitation fee based on the number of people on their books. So it was of benefit to the practice to keep people on the record.

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    Cynically again?....it's maybe all to do with the bonuses for all of the tests they can record against your name?
    Can feel like being stalked IMHO sometimes?

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