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Thread: BBC lead- ing the way.

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    BBC lead- ing the way.

    It seems the BBC are stepping up their campaign to have lead banned for hunting and for shooting clays. I've just watched a report on BBC breakfast. Thousands of dead birds every year, has anyone ever seen a bird suffering from lead poisoning, I haven't, not even on the BBC.

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    Biased Bunch of Communists ,totally and utterly infiltrated by antis <not auntys>.Abuse their position to push bile n carp at the public .trouble is as the divided shooting groups dont provide a response as one ,joe public believe the BBC.cos why would they LIE
    she buys shoes i buy ,shooting,she stops buying shoes,il be amazed

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    I am glad they are not getting my license fee. The Germans get it before anyone asks.
    Get hunting articles on German tv during the seasons and the antis seem to be low on the ground over here.

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    Well maybe the likes of BASC should step up and create a fuss about the beeb, probably the right time to do it as the media already have their eye on them. About time there was a concerted effort put in to stopping this biased nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodp View Post
    Well maybe the likes of BASC should step up and create a fuss about the beeb, probably the right time to do it as the media already have their eye on them. About time there was a concerted effort put in to stopping this biased nonsense.

    Don't hold your breath.
    (The Unspeakable In Pursuit Of The Uneatable.) " If I can help, I will help!." Former S.A.C.S. member!

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    I'm afraid that we've brought this down on ourselves. There has been the ban on shooting duck with lead in England for 15 years or so. The report cited by the BBC describes how >75% of duck sold as shot in England had been shot with lead, rather than steel etc. (I have to admit that I can't find a reference to this figure - the one that I am aware of is 69% from a study published in 2010, but in either case, it is a lot of ducks). That means that this law is being broken and broken on a pretty major scale. I don't dispute this - I've seen plenty of inland duck drives where no-one bothers to swap cartridges.

    The RSPB/WWT etc are getting involved because there are still lead pellets being shot into areas where waterfowl live, and they are ingesting them as 'grit' and consequently absorbing high levels of lead into their bodies. This can (but does not always) kill the ducks, and a single pellet ingested leads to a 12x rise of circulating lead levels (Mautino & Bell 1986). It's not even affecting ALL waterfowl - wigeon seems to be completely free of ingested lead. To a large extent, RSPB/WWT would not have been too worried about effects of shot game on human health - it's not their remit, and terrestrial birds do not ingest lead/gravel to nearly the same extent as waterfowl, so the effects of residual shot outside of wetlands on birds is negligible. It's the fact that shooting is incidentally responsible for putting toxins in the food chain of wild waterfowl that has provoked this report and the involvement of the various biologists.

    If there had been good compliance with the original ban on shooting duck with lead then we could have made a coherent argument that original spent shot is slowly sinking, none more is being added, risks are decreasing etc. As it is, the report can be used to project shooters as lawbreaking, inconsiderate, nature hating, not to be trusted, unable to police themselves etc etc. The inevitable conclusion is that if shooters cannot restrict themselves to not using lead shot when shooting particular game, then the simplest solution is to ban all lead shot.

    If the argument had simply been about lead in shot pheasants etc and the attendant risks to human health, then it could have been rebuffed either by explaining that we can be careful when preparing/eating food, or framing it as one of the many food choices that we make - how much alcohol to drink/red meat to eat/bacon to fry, offsetting risks with benefits including pleasure. We could even have legitimately demanded a discussion on bird welfare casting doubts on the efficacy of steel shot in humane killing. As it is, it's become one of bird conservation, biodiversity and criminality, which are much harder to counter in any rational way.

    I don't dispute that some people want to see shooting banned or heavily restricted come what may (Avery waddles into my mind) and are using the lead ammunition to fuel their broader campaigns. By a refusal to comply with the original resolution, banning lead shot for duck, we've made their task easier. I'm afraid that by burying our heads in the sand, as seems to be the case on this and other similar threads, we're also digging our own grave.

    Mautino, M., & Bell, J. U. (1986). Experimental lead toxicity in the ring-necked duck. Environmental research, 41(2), 538-545

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    That is an excellent well put reply, clearly all the duck purchased were shot from inland duck shoots and the evidence is that they were shot with lead. I doubt very many if any wildfowl shot from the foreshore ever enters the retail ffod chain.

    There is a certain irony that as a coarse angler I remeber lead shot for fishing being banned I doubt if i have ever lost as much as 1 oz of no 6's whilst fishing in decades yet I have expended many pounds of n 6's when flighting ducks over the very river I fished in. pre lead banned please note.

    In relation to lead shot in pheasants cannot think of when I last actually swallowed a piece of lead, normally pretty carefull and am fussy which ones I roast. I probably get more lead from my water service pipe than I get from eating game.

    BASC et all do need to get their act together and clearly there is an issue with the continuing use of lead shot on inland ? commercial duck shoots.


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    what has it got to do with the BBC in the first place?

    i have no television set in my house so don't pay a licence fee, if i did pay the fee i would be completely outraged.

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    Ok so let's assume lead ammo is gone in a couple of years, what will become the minimum calibre needed to shoot deer? I'm pretty sure it will kill the .243 for deer won't it.

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    The largest problem that I can see is the old favourite .22 Rimfire. What will they use?

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