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    New dog questions

    I have had Black labs for 40 odd years and never thought I would stray from the breed. My current dog is getting a little long in the tooth now and a new companion might be good for him and help the process of 'handing over'.

    Having seen and read a little about GWP's, I am thinking about straying from Lab's for the first time. I own a small farm and would like the dog to be a companion rather than a specialist in an particular area. I would need them to be steady and not wander far from my side. I have a small deer park and would like to take the dog into the deer population without it chasing the deer. If it doesn't they will get used to him. He needs to be steady around guns and be capable of retrieving without that being his main function. However the main role will be as guard dog. During the day my dogs are housed in a pen close to the house where they can see any approach to the house. I need them to bark at newcomers but not jump out and eat them. I would also like any thoughts on the sex of the animal. I have always preferred dogs to bitches as I believe them to be a bit more 'bloody minded'. Are there character differences between the sex's of GWP's? Training is another issue. I may just not have the time or ability to train a dog to the level that I require. Labs seem to come part trained, but I hear that GWP's can be difficult and would require considerably more time to train than a lab. Is this true?

    Any other observations on the breed would be appreciated.

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    Seen quite a few GWPs over the years. With the exception of one, they all had behavioural issues. I wouldn't have one if you paid me. With regard labs; if it ain't broke don't fix it. If you're concerned labs aren't aggressive enough to intimidate potential intruders have a look around. I've known a few that I wouldn't go near unless the owner were present, so they're not all soft as butter.

    Just my personal opinions and experience. I'm sure plenty with more knowledge of the breed will chip in.

    Wolfie

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    i have had my gwp bitch for 7 years shes been on many stalks with me and done really well she allso is a good gaurd dog as soon as someone comes past the bottom of my garden she barks she is brilliant with my grandaughters never shown aggression towards them or anyone else i wouldnt be without her

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    I'd 2nd lupus's post.

    GWP's can vary widely in their temperment eveen in litter brothers/sisters.
    While some wires are realatively laid back some/most can be a real handful to train , my wire is the most gifted, intelligent and driven dog i've ever had but he is the most infurating dog i've ever tried to train. When u make a mistake with training far harder to fix further down the line. Unlike with a lab where it wants to please u, show it something once and it will do it again the wire (well mine anyway) will push and push u till breaking point then do it. *******

    Everything in ur post screams lab to me, and as said if aint broke don't fix it.
    U could alter ur training more to make it more barking, security type training fairly easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countrryboy View Post
    I'd 2nd lupus's post.

    GWP's can vary widely in their temperment eveen in litter brothers/sisters.
    While some wires are realatively laid back some/most can be a real handful to train , my wire is the most gifted, intelligent and driven dog i've ever had but he is the most infurating dog i've ever tried to train. When u make a mistake with training far harder to fix further down the line. Unlike with a lab where it wants to please u, show it something once and it will do it again the wire (well mine anyway) will push and push u till breaking point then do it. *******

    Everything in ur post screams lab to me, and as said if aint broke don't fix it.
    U could alter ur training more to make it more barking, security type training fairly easily.
    Thanks for this. I don't want or need a guard dog as such, just an animal that will let me know when someone is about that he doesn't know. My current dog is brilliant at it. He lets out a few barks and then spots its someone he has seen before and shuts up. Its just enough to alert me to someone's presence without it being an irritation. To be honest I am coming to the conclusion that I would buy one trained, although I am concerned that this may get in the way of the bond between dog and owner.

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    Not sure if it is still available but Sharon Pinkerton had home bred GWP around 6 months old which she was planning to export (hence the age) but was being messed around by the buyer, so has withdrawn.

    She is at Bareve Gundogs http://www.bareve.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupus View Post
    Seen quite a few GWPs over the years. With the exception of one, they all had behavioural issues. I wouldn't have one if you paid me. With regard labs; if it ain't broke don't fix it. If you're concerned labs aren't aggressive enough to intimidate potential intruders have a look around. I've known a few that I wouldn't go near unless the owner were present, so they're not all soft as butter.

    Just my personal opinions and experience. I'm sure plenty with more knowledge of the breed will chip in.

    Wolfie
    couldn't agree more. I've worked with popular breeds i.e. cockers,springers and labs for the last 15 years, i would say stick with what you know

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    I don't want to put u off totally seen some very good wires but they are a lot harder work, even just simple things like heeling can be hard work at times. They are a very different dog to labs

    If ur happy with ur current dog might be worth getting a pup/young dog in while he is still going about. Often working strain labs are fairly quiet so the young 1 might quickly learn of the old 1 when to bark.
    Doesnae sound like ur wanting dog to do that much, and most labs would do that with very little training.
    U can often pick up failed FT dogs at reasonable money, but many would be trained to a lot higher standard than u need, but sometimes they will be those skinny ugly 'labs'

    When u buy a trained dog the problems generally is not the lack of a bond, but new owners havnae a clue and think dog is now trained for life and they don't have to do anything with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countrryboy View Post
    I don't want to put u off totally seen some very good wires but they are a lot harder work, even just simple things like heeling can be hard work at times. They are a very different dog to labs

    If ur happy with ur current dog might be worth getting a pup/young dog in while he is still going about. Often working strain labs are fairly quiet so the young 1 might quickly learn of the old 1 when to bark.
    Doesnae sound like ur wanting dog to do that much, and most labs would do that with very little training.
    U can often pick up failed FT dogs at reasonable money, but many would be trained to a lot higher standard than u need, but sometimes they will be those skinny ugly 'labs'

    When u buy a trained dog the problems generally is not the lack of a bond, but new owners havnae a clue and think dog is now trained for life and they don't have to do anything with it.
    Have started reading a bit about them and they do seem to have a lot of positive attributes. Very happy to hear about the negative ones. Have had a few dogs trained for me in years past and am aware that the training of both dog and owner need to continue after the hand over.In truth I have been hankering after a change for years. Bearing in mind some of the other breeds I have thought of I did think that the GWP was almost sensible. Will probably stay with a lab though.

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    A good, well trained GWP, is a fantastic animal capable of just about anything. Unfortunately a good, well trained GWP, is as rare as hens teeth. I have been out with "well trained" gwps before, owner saying the dog is fantastic at this and that, and have been staggered how poor some people.think is "good". Even some of the open class gwps, in field trials, are so poorly trained as to be well below a novice spaniel/Labrador.

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