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    German Shorthaired Pointer Questions

    Hi Team,

    Request for all those GSP officionados out there. I've finally persuaded the Mrs that 2016 is the year for a new puppy and we've agreed upon a German Shorthaired Pointer on the basis that it's a breed she loves and I'm a regular stalker and game shot so it should be good for both activities.

    With that in mind, I thought I'd reach out to you all for suggestions with regards the following questions:

    1. Any suggestions for great breeders of working pointers?

    2. We'd like some help with training but don't want to send it away for too long at a time. So any suggestions for working dog trainers that'll take us and the dog on for week-long (or long weekend) sessions every four to six months? The aim is that each trip is an intense booster session for the dog and make sure that me and the Mrs are consistent in the way we communicate with the dog.

    Thanks for your help everyone!

    Jack

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    Sure they're will be other decent trainers down there but u won't go far wrong speakig to Rory Major at Bryanscroft, 1 of the top trainers in the country.
    Think quite a big HPR scene down the south sort of area with a few FT clubs.Get urself along to a test/trial and watch the dogs work speak t the breeders/trainers, althou sometimes a FT bred dog is not always the best can be a bit fast/ 'hot' prob better with a slower stalker type bred dog.

    Not going to say much other than all HPR breeds look far ebtter on paper than they are in the field, yes it should be a perfect choice for u, but in all honsetey (esp if ur a 1st time gundog trainer) u might be beter with a Lab, not always easy to train to a high standard, esp for game shooting and even more so if a peg dog.

    It can be done and ur doing the right thing getting pro help early but depending on the individual dog it could be a lot of hard work.
    Also depends wot sort of standard u want to get ur dog too?

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    Thanks! Really helpful. Stalking job probably more important than shooting, so will take your advice on temperament and breeding.

    Thanks!

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    Give Rory a bell he'll give u fairly impartial honest avice, not sure wot he is actually breeding the now, used to be wires but he stopped breeding them a few years ago to get some new blood lines in, never heard if hes started again.
    He'll be able to put u onto breeders etc, but u might be better with a dog bred off here by stalkers, some FT folk want there dogs to be fast and hunt hard and rangey not really wot ur looking for i don't think.

    U may find a decent bred lab would do all u need and be easier to live with train than a GSP

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    Thanks! That's a good point actually - anyone on here got or know of a GSP that's mainly a stalking companion but can also do a bit on game birds?

    As for the lab suggestion - I think you're probably right but the breed decision isn't mine alone. Mrs is in love with the idea of a GSP, which is fair enough - they're gorgeous dogs.

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    I know quite a few who use a gsp for deer and my personal thoughts are get the dog rock steady on deer before you think about doing anything with birds but you still have a huge risk that it will have such a strong drive for birds that will overtake the want to be a deer dog, I know plenty that go this way some are lucky and will do both properly some can't. I spent so much time with my pointer on deer he was very good, very bold with roe and was fearless.
    the moment I started to train him on birds he just lived to point and flush birds and never looked back. Training for a deer dog is simple really with a few basics to work on to get the best from them, I would say train yourself with some help the bond will be strong with you both, think what you want from a dog and go from there, a few guys on here will also help owning and using them, Atb Wayne

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    Love them ,but they are not the easiest to train slow to mature,great big pups until they are about 18 months,I don't do anything apart from basic obedience until they are that age , really find that they are into their third year
    before they come good so don't expect an instant gun dog.

    Wanting one for deer and game is quite a big ask, it can be done though if that's what you want start it on deer
    and don't work it on game until the deer aspect is just right.

    They are pointers not peg dogs so really a rough shooting dog not the ideal dog for either picking up or in the beating line though they can do both , an older well trained dog will adapt to these jobs, though you will more than likely waste a youngster trying to do them,the sheer numbers of birds on a flush point will blow his or her young mind.

    Like any breed you will find good ones and bad ones and with the right training they can be brilliant, but expect tears and tantrums before you reach that stage , and thats from the trainer , as said a well trained one is a joy a badly trained one is a monster.

    Rather than ask if a GSP is the right dog for you ask yourself if you are the right person to own a GSP

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogtrotter View Post
    Love them ,but they are not the easiest to train slow to mature,great big pups until they are about 18 months,I don't do anything apart from basic obedience until they are that age , really find that they are into their third year
    before they come good so don't expect an instant gun dog.

    Wanting one for deer and game is quite a big ask, it can be done though if that's what you want start it on deer
    and don't work it on game until the deer aspect is just right.

    They are pointers not peg dogs so really a rough shooting dog not the ideal dog for either picking up or in the beating line though they can do both , an older well trained dog will adapt to these jobs, though you will more than likely waste a youngster trying to do them,the sheer numbers of birds on a flush point will blow his or her young mind.

    Like any breed you will find good ones and bad ones and with the right training they can be brilliant, but expect tears and tantrums before you reach that stage , and thats from the trainer , as said a well trained one is a joy a badly trained one is a monster.

    Rather than ask if a GSP is the right dog for you ask yourself if you are the right person to own a GSP

    Sound advice above; the dogs come in a considerable range of temperaments & levels of willingness to please. I've had 3, two of them were brilliant, (if hard-headed) rough-shooting dogs with pace & range but it was more trouble than it was worth to try to get them to walk to heel quietly for deer stalking; you almost had to crush their spirit & joie de vivre to make them walk to heel & you could see they hated it.

    My 3rd & current one worked as a bird dog until she was about 7 and now spends more time stalking with me than shooting; she is very biddable & desperate to please & to be with me & walks to heel just about perfectly & seems to understand what's required of her depending on whether I'm carrying a shotgun or rifle. No issues about doing the bird training first, apart from the occasional point on a pheasant when we're stalking.

    Choose a soft, quiet bitch for your first one & make sure it's from working rather than show stock!

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    This is all great food for thought.... Despite being adamant about a GSP (and not being keen on labs) I suspect the Mrs could be pursuaded by a Hungarian Vizla. Is that a better solution for a dog that I primarily want for walking to heel as I stalk but would also like to take shooting with me, or am I jumping out of frying pan and in to the fire ...!?

    Really appreciating all your thoughts here guys. J

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    Wot type of game shooting do u do? And how much?

    Any of the hpr breeds are capable of doing both with the right training but u might find it easier just to train to deer if u don't really need a gundog as u have obviously coped up til now. Hpr breeds are breed to be active and hunting, so while they will happily sit under a high seat quietly its a very different thing to ask an hpr to sit on a peg quietly with gunshots going of and birds falling everywhere, often start to whine. Generally not that quietiest of dogs full stop if u live in a town
    Just so much variation in temperments within the breeds it's hard to advise.

    I always think if ur not using a hpr to point ur far better of with a lab, there was another recent thread on here were a few folk changed from labs to hpr's but spent the whole time wishing they had their good old reliable lab back.

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