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    Diesel the Police Dog.

    PDSA just announced the award of Dickin Medal for bravery.

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    Daft, I think. It is an animal. It does what it is trained to do as it has no understanding of the likelihood of death or injury that may occur.

    There are two sorts of courage.

    Both require the "actor" to be aware of the consequences to a lesser or greater degree. And that he or she then disregards them.

    An animal has no concept of this.

    Just as fox is, and cannot, be "cruel"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    Daft, I think. It is an animal. It does what it is trained to do as it has no understanding of the likelihood of death or injury that may occur.

    There are two sorts of courage.

    Both require the "actor" to be aware of the consequences to a lesser or greater degree. And that he or she then disregards them.

    An animal has no concept of this.

    Just as fox is, and cannot, be "cruel"...
    I can't agree fully with that. Any animal has a sense of self-preservation and is, to an extent "brave" when going against that. OK an animal probably only does it because it gambles that the potential reward is greater than the risk, but still, it understands the risk surely?
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    so it should get the medal it saved his owners life

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    But still, it understands the risk surely?
    No. Else we'd never have "attack dogs"/"war dogs".

    The ones where you point them at a hostile person and just say "GO" (or whatever) and off it goes and brings them down.

    As in its training it never gets shot and injured or have seven shades of sh**e knocked out of it. In its training it always achieves its task and always gets rewarded afterwards.

    It never gets negative input. So, simply, it doesn't actually "know" that it may get killed or injured. Or hurt. Or have any concept that the target person may shoot it dead.

    Just as a hound chases a rabbit or a hare or a fox as it has never met such that fought back and injured it. It has learnt that that way lies no risk of hurt.

    But a dog that has chased a cat or cat and come of the worse for it may decline a subsequent entertainement that-a-ways. It has learnt that that way lies possible hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old man View Post
    PDSA just announced the award of Dickin Medal for bravery.
    Thanks for the update.

    Some people need to lighten up and show a bit of solidarity ...


    Hopefully the earlier thread helped in a small way https://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php/112301-Dickin-medal






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    I think some animals, like some people, have not only more intelligence, but more feeling, loyalty, and even a sense of duty than ordinary, which enables them to take risks into the teeth of danger. I have seen dogs, horses, and even cats do extraordinary things. I know of a cat which saw its house on fire, and climbed a large oak tree, went out on a limb, jumped down onto the second story roof, found its way into a open window, and woke all the people inside, saving them. And if anything natural scares animals, it is fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    No. Else we'd never have "attack dogs"/"war dogs".

    The ones where you point them at a hostile person and just say "GO" (or whatever) and off it goes and brings them down.

    As in its training it never gets shot and injured or have seven shades of sh**e knocked out of it. In its training it always achieves its task and always gets rewarded afterwards.

    It never gets negative input. So, simply, it doesn't actually "know" that it may get killed or injured. Or hurt. Or have any concept that the target person may shoot it dead.

    Just as a hound chases a rabbit or a hare or a fox as it has never met such that fought back and injured it. It has learnt that that way lies no risk of hurt.

    But a dog that has chased a cat or cat and come of the worse for it may decline a subsequent entertainement that-a-ways. It has learnt that that way lies possible hurt.
    Clearly never trained or handled GP dog.
    Loads of dogs get binned for not having the 'bottle' to face an aggressive attacker.
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    It's apparent to anyone who has a dog that they are able to weigh up a situation and take decisions based on the risks and their previous experiences. What's more, you can encourage and train dogs to do things that they see as dangerous.

    So if a dog serves well and takes risks, what's wrong with recognising that?
    Last edited by Pedro; 29-12-2015 at 21:14.

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    Surely the same can be said of people, soldiers train with very little chance of being killed in training, but then have the choice of fight or flight when it comes to the crunch, they know they can be killed but still do it for their mates, why should a dog not do it or feel like that for its human mate?

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