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    BASC, nobs, sacs, that is the question.

    Guys.
    I am in Basc and have been for 2-3 decades.
    I am thinking of jumping ship. However,I feel that we should all be in one or more groups or associations.
    I am looking to save a few bob if possible so what would you suggest please.
    I'm in BDS also and for the fun of it joined The NRA,the Mirkin one.
    I don't intend to rejoin British NRA.
    As I understand it other organisations also run legal teams and shooter insurance schemes.

    Any thoughts please.

    ATB Bryan.

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    Last edited by White Hart; 01-01-2016 at 21:43. Reason: Link to website.
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    I think it costs another Ł16, but you can have a combined BDS membership and Stalking Insurance package. That should be all you need and save a few quid!
    MS

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    I think that this does exercise all of us at some time or other. I'd certainly agree that I'd never, never ever, put a penny piece to either the NRA (the British one) or the BDS. Neither have done any any favours to the gun owning sportsman and in fact have both have colluded with or supported legislation that has in fact been harmful to that gun owning sportsman.

    I've been with BASC for many years but I really have no experience of the others, NOBS, SACS. I'd also certainly never support the Countryside Alliance which, IMHO, is nothing but the BFSS and would sell out shooting and snaring of foxes at the drop of a hat if they thought it would gain any leverage to have hound sports reinstated.

    I remember a conversation that I had at my local shooting club in 1996/1997

    "Hello", said the braying voice, "I'm XXX of the British Fieldsports Society now the Countryside Alliance. We're hoping that your members can come and support the march against the hound sports ban next week".

    "Certainly", says I, "We'll probably be able to bring as many of our members as did you your BFSS/Countryside Alliance on the handgun ban march".

    "Oh marvellous", it brayed, "How many will that be"?

    "F**k All". Says I.

    As to the others I fear that although BASC has it faults it is, nevertheless, the biggest. This is a numbers game and the reality is, numbers mean clout. So for that reason, numbers, I subscribe to BASC and also its legal team and ability to interact with local police force licensing regimes in a positive manner.
    Last edited by enfieldspares; 01-01-2016 at 22:24.

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    Thanks White Hart.
    I had a quick squint at the link. I am not a Keeper but seemingly can join as a supporter.
    I will check my renewal time with Basc and join NGO to start the month befor.

    Bryan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    I think that this does exercise all of us at some time or other. I'd certainly agree that I'd never, never ever, put a penny piece to either the NRA (the British one) or the BDS. Neither have done any favours to the gun owning sportsman and in fact have both have colluded with or supported legislation that has in fact been harmful to that gun owning sportsman.
    The British Deer Society (BDS) is a charity and the principal organisation focusing on deer welfare. Why on earth would you expect them to become involved in gun ownership of sportsmen?
    MS

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    Ah MS. But they do get involved in the gun ownership of sportsmen MS. And as the record shows this has been unfavourable to gun owning sportsmen.

    They were behind the banning of the 6.5x54MS and the .300 Sherwood; they wrote a letter to Douglas Hogg against (any exemptions for disabled sportsmen) limited exemptions to the 1988 self-loading and pump action rifle ban; they also, as I understand, were actively against stalkers possessing handguns for humane dispatch.

    So the BDS don't just stick to deer issues but have on past and current record supported gun control measures that have been only unfavourable to sportsmen.

    Now, I've never had a pistol for human dispatch. Never had, never will. Can't see the point. However I did pre-1996 have a .357 Magnum revolver for shooting feral goats but never for humane dispatch and never asked for that authority either.

    But be that as it it may I know an organisation that is and has been far from not gun owning sportsman positive when the question is asked. And repeatedly so.

    But I'd expect nothing less from a fanboy! There! I got one in! My first fanboy of 2016!

    Happy New Year MS! But, in good faith, that's why I have a dim view of the BDS and wish that gun owning sportsmen would not support it.
    Last edited by enfieldspares; 01-01-2016 at 22:56.

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    Please also consider the Scottish Gamekeepers Association. Maybe a step too far for an East Anglian resident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    Ah MS. But they do get involved in the gun ownership of sportsmen MS. And as the record shows this has been unfavourable to gun owning sportsmen.

    They were behind the banning of the 6.5x54MS, they wrote a letter to Douglas Hogg against (any exemptions for disabled sportsmen) limited exemptions to the 1988 self-loading and pump action rifle ban and they also, as I understand, were actively against stalkers possessing handguns for humane dispatch.

    So the BDS don't just stick to deer issues but have on past and current record supported gun control measures that have been only unfavourable to sportsmen.

    Now, I've never had a pistol for human dispatch. Never had, never will. Can't see the point. However I did pre-1996 have a .357 Magnum revolver for shooting feral goats but never for humane dispatch and never asked for that authority either.

    But be that as it it may I know an organisation that is and has been far from not gun owning sportsman positive when the question is asked. And repeatedly so.
    I can see why they could become involved if there were a perceived deer welfare issue which is probably the case here. However, the handgun issue was probably more due to the fact that people desperate to retain handguns were attending DSC 1 courses with no intention of anything other than blagging the police that they needed it for humane dispatch!

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    SACS. It is all you need.
    Quid enim proderit Homini si lucretur Mundum totum et detrimentum faciat Animae suae?

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