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Thread: Roe culls. A question.

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    Roe culls. A question.

    Team - Happy New Year.
    Legally, can I shoot - in England - 6 month old roe bucks in a Winter cull? I have always assumed it's just does, but am confused by a photo in this month's Sporting Rifle.

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    A grey area on what is a dependent kid?

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    If you have a dependent kid and you are about to deprive it form it's mother, then you a defence in law, from shooting it even if it's a buck. I would suggest focusing the full on does with very small kids - for whatever reason the doe has been unable to provide them with a good start from lack of milk and or small size at birth. I would leave the does with large followers - they are your better breeding stock.

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    at dusk at 150 yds can you tell the difference between a young buck and a doe?

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    Appreciating the clarity. Thanks. Well informed, as ever, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick.308 View Post
    at dusk at 150 yds can you tell the difference between a young buck and a doe?
    Two opposing schools of though here
    1)If you can't you shouldn't be shooting it
    2) does it matter - if its dependent then it needs to be culled too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick.308 View Post
    at dusk at 150 yds can you tell the difference between a young buck and a doe?
    It totally depends how dark it is and the time of the year. When they look straight towards or away from you from late December onwards, you should be able to see the knobs on the heads of buck kids. The anal tush is very pronounced in winter coat too.

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    If you are culling and it clearly is a dependant, (if you cannot tell that from experience, then you need more experience around deer perhaps not culling), it shouldnt really be a second thought. Dependants shouldbe culled too.

    Effectively, it would be dead in a few weeks anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post

    Effectively, it would be dead in a few weeks anyway.
    Why would it be dead in a few weeks Tommo? It's not reliant on milk anymore.

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    In my experience, that which may not concurr with best practice nor the opinion of others, depending on the weather, actual age of the calf and location, ive seen a higher mortality rate in youngsters if not shot in the Doe season and its usually more common in Roe.

    For instance in Scotland (Highlands) last year whilst culling Roe Does, we left some yearling Bucks (probably about 15-20). Half were found dead by the keeper / on the next trip, you have to bare-in-mind the weather - it was cold post our first visit mid Dec (but we dont have weather fatalities usually), the terrain is 900ft + Above sea level, but most importantly despite being Dec, the calves rarely moved off from the shot site (in fact two were shot by the keeper as they just sat down in the heather and didnt move for a day or so). Having said this, we rarely start shooting Does until Dec/Jan because the followers are dependant until Dec.

    Where i help cull in south, dependants are shot no questioning until late Nov/Dec as we find if left the wet/cold takes it out of them, rarely any die as a result, but they can get very thin and again are seen in the same open areas day after day looking for mum. Jan onwards depends on size, cull figures and tree damage etc.

    As always it hinges on what is defined (as per my origional reply) of what is a dependant, only watching the deer, knowing the deer on your ground that you manage regular and understanding the behaviour displayed can assure you whether it is a dependant or not.

    Just my thoughts

    T

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