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Thread: What constitutes a cull buck?

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    What constitutes a cull buck?

    What is determined as a cull buck each season. Say for Roe Deer, what would you be looking for when deciding wheter to shoot or not

    Cheers.

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    For me it goes something like

    Weight/size of deer. This can be a little bit difficult in wintercoat, but you get the hang of it.

    Size of antlers. Bigger they are - less likely they are a "cull buck.

    Behaviour

    Bark, if you can hear it.


    People will have a much better idea than me - but thats what I normally go off.

    Sam
    "Even at the very bottom of the river, I didn't think to myself, Is this a hearty joke or the merest accident? I just thought, it's wet." - Eeyore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    For me it goes something like

    Weight/size of deer. This can be a little bit difficult in wintercoat, but you get the hang of it.

    Size of antlers. Bigger they are - less likely they are a "cull buck.

    Behaviour

    Bark, if you can hear it.


    People will have a much better idea than me - but thats what I normally go off.

    Sam

    Thanks Sam. Just curious what to expect if I go after a cull buck.

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    A cull Buck, A thats the Buck the you see and stalk before anyone else gets the chance to shoot , Bucks are like good hazel sticks cut it when you see it , shoot them before someone else does. better on your plate every time .

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    Its one in your cull plan and then follow WS's advice

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    A cull buck is as said in the cull plan so if you are leaveing a few good middle age bucks all the rest are culls .If your out with a pro semi pro anything with 6 points and or 8 inch is normally not a cull buck and will be charged.

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    Look at the quality of the beast, shape of rump, belly, back and shoulders. It helps if you can get an end on view too as it gives a better veiw of carcass depth and finally the head. You are looking for beasts with a sagging back, angular rump, no depth to the chest. Kill anything with long single tines (murder bucks). It's the same principal as judging conformation on cattle or sheep.

    So anything that looks a poor doer gets shot, anything decent lives. I have a two superb fallow bucks occassionally on my patch, the other local stalkers and I have decided to leave them, but anything old/going back or a runty youngster ends up in the chiller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flytie View Post
    Kill anything with long single tines (murder bucks). It's the same principal as judging confirmation on cattle or sheep.
    ft, I was always taught these were a "switch" - I may be wrong. I echo your comments about shoot on sight, same principal with a "hummel" - antlerless staggie. I have also heard that you should shot any mature busks you see on sight - due to the fact that they are knackered if they let you come within shootable distance. IMHO this is arse gravy - but if any of you know otherwise I would love to hear if anybody who operates with the policy - on a non "shoot on sight" cull plan. (:


    Sam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua View Post
    Thanks Sam. Just curious what to expect if I go after a cull buck.
    Joshua - if you are on bought days, rather than asking for advice on how to put together a cull plan, then always always always ask the stalker before you go out - if you can, ask before you book the day. A good stalker will talk you through what he considers a cull buck or not anyway on the day, but if you'd rather spend your money on the best buck you can get on a cull, then see if you can find a stalker with plenty of deer!

    One mans cull plan will be different to the next, and will especially depend on the weight of numbers he's got on the land, as well as what the owner wants done with them. If it's an estate that sells a lot of days (especially to foreign clients with money to burn), then their cull plan may not even include 4 pointers... If, however, the land is owned by a farmer whos getting lots of damage from deer, the cull plan may be 'shoot everything that moves'...

    If you're concerned about what kind of trophy you might get (even for a cull buck) then try to 'shop around'...

    Of course there's never a guarantee that you'll get any kind of decent buck in front of you on the day - or even any buck at all! Sometimes you just have to take what you can get...

    Good luck...

    Pippa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    ft, I was always taught these were a "switch" - I may be wrong. I echo your comments about shoot on sight, same principal with a "hummel" - antlerless staggie.
    Sam

    Interesting point - I've always seen reds referred to as "switches" but roe as "murder bucks". I'd not seen the latter until I went stalking with stone last year.

    So far as hummels, I'd be interested to know whether they really should be shot on sight. The ones I've seen have been larger than 'normal' stags, so in terms of meat in the larder they are good ones to take, but I didn't believe the science had shown that a hummel will produce other hummels. I know morena was keen to get any photos of hummels shot, as there is a lot that is still unknown about them.

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