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    Barrel Shortening

    Eveining!

    I have a Tikka T3 Stainless .308 and have added a moderator (the DM80). This means I find the overall length is a bit too long for me to carry the rifle without either it catching on branches or hitting the floor depending on how I carry it.

    Can anyone give me a rough idea on how much it would cost to get the barrel shortened by about 4", re-crowned, threaded and proofed?

    Havent got the time or money to get it done just yet, but was wondering what ball-park figure is

    Cheers

    Oggy

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    I think Callum Ferguson (best custom work I have seen) charges 195 http://www.precisionrifles.com/Price%20List.htm and is very very good at what he does


    Sam
    "Even at the very bottom of the river, I didn't think to myself, Is this a hearty joke or the merest accident? I just thought, it's wet." - Eeyore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    (best custom work I have seen) charges 195 [
    The last time I paid one of the top winning “F-Class” smiths to shorten and thread a barrel it was 65.00……………………………………195 to shorten a barrel, still if you are charging 7,000 plus for a tricked up Remmy then that is about right. Fair play to him if people are daft enough.

    Sam you seen a lot of custom rifles have you? And you have a degree in engineering or something similar, plus 30 years of experience to tell the difference between a good job and a bad one then?

    Come on Brit' where are you?

    ATB

    Tahr

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    Sam you seen a lot of custom rifles have you? And you have a degree in engineering or something similar, plus 30 years of experience to tell the difference between a good job and a bad one then?

    To be fair Tahr, you often don't need any qualifications (other than the ubiquitous mk1 eyball) to tell a bad job. The last bad one I saw looked like it had been chewed off by angry beavers and then threaded with a blunt hand die from the pound shop! The bore was off centre by at least a couple of mil

    Anyhow, the shortening, re-crowning and threading will cost between those two figures i.e. 65 quid and 195 quid. If the chap is close to Callum then it may be cost effective (when you consider courier costs etc) to get it done there. If not then the world is his oyster with lots of good smiths easily capable of this sort of work. If it's 1:11 twist or faster then an 18" barrel is as short as you want to go (realistically).

    Cheers

    G

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaitsev View Post
    Sam you seen a lot of custom rifles have you? And you have a degree in engineering or something similar, plus 30 years of experience to tell the difference between a good job and a bad one then?

    To be fair Tahr, you often don't need any qualifications (other than the ubiquitous mk1 eyball) to tell a bad job. The last bad one I saw looked like it had been chewed off by angry beavers and then threaded with a blunt hand die from the pound shop! The bore was off centre by at least a couple of mil
    Hi Zaitsev

    I guess I best expand on my first post, my comment was aimed at custom rifles more than just a barrel threading job, as you say you can get a good idea of the job just by looking at it, I think it is worth pointing out that a threading of a barrel would be a exercise that should be within the ability of an first year machining apprentice.

    With a custom rifle how can you tell if you are looking at a polished turd or a first class engineering master piece?

    Is the barrel tendon cut concentric with the bore?
    Was the chamber also cut concentric?
    Is the finish inside the chamber to a high standard to help easy extraction?
    Are all the bolt lugs engaging over all there mating surface areas, giving a stable support the case head?
    Is the bedding to a good standard, can you release one of the stock bolts and see minimum deflection with a DTI on the barrel?
    Does the trigger brake cleanly?
    If it is a repeater do all cartridges feed easily and reliably from the magazine?

    You know your rifles, so you know what I mean, and at the end of the day if the rifle shoots well we are happy, but saying one smith is work is better than any other without stripping a action down and checking it is meaning less you are simply guessing and trusting to his reputation.

    This is of cause why a smiths reputation is some important, for most of us it is the only guarantee that you are getting the job you are paying for.

    Every time I shoot a deer with my 243 I thank Callum, for he did a first class job on the trigger for it previous owner.

    ATB

    Tahr

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    Tahr,

    Custom rifles? I dont keep count, but more than enough to know good from excellent Engineering? Myself, I will not lie it extends to playing with land rover, chainsaws and the like. My Farther? 42 years experiance and Phd (Cantab) good enough? And he rates PRS very highly.

    What is your experiance? It may be more than mine, my expeirance is limited, and I appreciete that. There are dozens of smiths turning out quality work, I have maybe seen stuff from 20 at a push. But of those Callum Ferguson Emerges top of the pile.

    I stand by my statement.

    Sam
    "Even at the very bottom of the river, I didn't think to myself, Is this a hearty joke or the merest accident? I just thought, it's wet." - Eeyore

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    When you talk to a precision engineer rather than a riflesmith, they laugh when you query something like a thread being true to a bore. That sort of thing is day one,week one at engineering school. If simple things were machined out of true how do you think they would react when doing X000 rpm in a 300hp tractor engine?

    Two things that I would say; Callum is one of, if not the, best riflesmiths in the county but there are many 'farmyard engineers' who will happily butcher your rifle for you. Pay your money and take your choice.

    The last moderator that I bought came with detailed cutting instructions, I would have been happy to have taken it to a local engineer apart from the 'firearm' hassle element.

    As to price, I agree that between 65 and 200 is probably the ball park without giving the proof house an un-required piece of the action.

    JC

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    if the rifle goes for proof you add about 90 to the price - (carriage each way and proof)

    There has been much discussion here and elswhere about proof, but if you do not intend to sell the rifle, you dont need it re-proofed, I know of several rifles, including ones ive sent to the PH that have come back without marks on the muzzle (in the case of threaded rifles).

    Chop, set up, end face, dial to run 0 run out, thread and recrown is a 1 - 2 hr task max.

    18 - 20 inches would suit the Tikka well, I personally would go no shorter.


    Pete Walker is close to you, he does a very good job.








    The Term "farmyard engineer" has been used for gunsmiths.....


    Both examples of factory threading jobs, one originated from Finland:




    The finished job should be smooth running, free of galling and similar to silk running against silk.....the crown should be razor sharp with no burrs









    I know of only two or perhaps three smiths with "engineering" backgrounds, others I know come from farming, military service, stalking and photography as their minstay employment prior to becoming "names"



    Everyone starts somewhere, so long as the job is done correctly, legaly and to the proper standard and tolerances who cares what the background is.

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    Oggy,
    have quick drive down to Mike Norris nr Kynnersley, first class work, reasonable price..

    regards
    griff

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    Quote Originally Posted by griff View Post
    Oggy,
    have quick drive down to Mike Norris nr Kynnersley, first class work, reasonable price..

    regards
    griff
    There is no such thing as a "quick" visit to Chuck Norris


    Sam
    "Even at the very bottom of the river, I didn't think to myself, Is this a hearty joke or the merest accident? I just thought, it's wet." - Eeyore

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